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lANCET: Management of autism in France: “a huge job to be done” [psychoanalysis]

Discussion in 'Other Health News and Research' started by Esther12, Jul 9, 2014.

  1. Esther12

    Esther12 Senior Member

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    Currently open access, but not sure how long this will be the case: http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpsy/article/PIIS2215-0366(14)70290-1/fulltext

    Hope the quacks are held accountable, but pretty sure they won't be.
     
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    This is a documentary about French psychoanalysts who think they can treat autism (English subtitles are available):



    They're totally nuts as you will see.

    This documentary was banned in France until six months ago by the way. The psychoanalysts didn't want anyone to see it, and convinced a judge to ban it with a flimsy excuse.
     
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    didn't know that french psychology plays the Blame Game as well.

    Well who doesn't? it's just that they like using different names for it. Some call it "Analysis" and others call it "CBT".

    when will we see a documentary where they show CBT therapists thinking they can treat ME?
     
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    Yes, I sometimes feel very ashamed of being French... These psychoanalysts are really insane, specially the Lacan followers. (Jacques Lacan used to say that psychoanalysis is a delirium, which he was very proud of...). One cannot imagine to what point their speech is meaningless.

    They are losing their influence (very slowly) in adults’ psychiatry and psychotherapy. But for lots of people here psychiatry = psychoanalysis.

    But they are still incredibly influent in children psychiatry. Saying disgusting things like, "the subject chooses autism".

    But one thing that comforted me when I became ill, is that I knew to what extend a whole body of professionals can be wrong against all evidence. And the example of the parents of autistic children fighting against the psychoanalytic lobby has always been in my mind.

    These psychiatrists can't cancel their theory, they have built up their own career, their own professional identity upon it. They can't admit that autism is not a psychosis, because they have been too deeply into it.

    Denial against so much evidence. I think lots of BPS model of CFS supporters will claim CFS to be psychosomatic against the evidence a long time, the most intelligent or opportunist will discreetly change their position.
     
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  5. chipmunk1

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    maybe one should propose the hypothesis that psychoanalysis is a psychosis?
     
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    I'm speechless! The concept of "refrigerator mothers" has long passed or so I thought.

    Thanks @Esther12 for the article.

    Barb
     
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    This is so interesting. Im interested in how ME is regarded around the world and looked up ME/CFS in France and there doesn't seem to be much out there in terms of support groups etc. giving me the impression that the psychos have greater cultural influence there. Are there any national ME groups in France?
     
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    There’s a group called l’Association Française du Syndrome de Fatigue Chronique.

    There are several points that are really problematic.

    - You can’t access their documentation unless you’re a member. To me it’s unacceptable. The aim of such a group should be to spread the information.

    - It’s supposed to be a support group for sufferers, but in fact it’s its “scientific” board which is leading the agenda. The only requirement of the director seems to be that they don’t say it’s a psychiatric condition. But they can claim it’s functional, somatoform, that the best way to manage it is GET and CBT, that the illness is perpetuated by negative thoughts and maladaptive behaviors. They didn’t use the P word, so no problem.

    - In their last bulletin, Pr Cabane said:

    http://www.asso-sfc.org/documents/an-190-Bulletin-N34--Juin-2014-.pdf (i don't know why this bulletin is free access)


    which could be translated that way :

    "A French consensus is not possible now because of lack of resources. This does not prevent the Scientific Council to consider development of a text to be published with French experts who work without conflict of interest, without direction or pressure, independently, as opposed to the Canadian consensus subject to pressure from certain lobbies."


    No comment needed… :aghhh:
     
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    ummm so in otherwise he wrongly diagnosed a 6mth old with autism who recovered cause the child didnt have autism after all. Diagnosing 3mth olds!! what! How does one diagnose a 3mth old with autism? (babies cant even focus their eyes properly at first). I guess this all plays into his I can treat that child cause its the mothers fault thing well .. (due to the false diagnoses)
     
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    It's hard to believe that things are even worse in other places- what one earth does your average person with ME in France do? At least in the UK there are organisations and charities which support sufferers- I suppose you can join these internationally even though you're in France.
    If I ever got better I'd love to improve my basic French.
     
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    A little update to the situation of autism in France, as this situation bears so many similarities with how MECFS is handled worldwide.


    As it's the international day of autism today, there have been a lot of TV and radio shows, and a film on a public channel, talking about the difficulties a couple encountered to have their son diagnosed, how the medical professionals have been brutal and violent, blaming them for their son's problems.


    And for the first time since France officially recognised autism as a neurodevelopmental disorder in the 2000's, there was not a single psychoanalyst invited anywhere. Before, there was always one, "to present both sides of the debate". The film has been a success. There was a national backlash of psychoanalysis. Unbelievable. Seems like the battle to convince the media and the public is won.


    BUT despite the government clearly stating that psychoanalysis should have nothing to do with autism:

    - out of 130 universities teaching psychology, only 5 have banned psychoanalysis from their teaching. So a whole generation is still fed with these insane theories.

    - the staff in the centres dedicated to autism are still overwhelmingly intoxicated with Freudian theories.

    - the psychoanalysis lobby has still a declining but nonetheless important influence.


    I don't know how long it will take for France to put all that rubbish into the dustbin it deserves to be... But sadly even when the majority (government, public, media, neuroscientific community) is appalled by the Freudian management of autism, the so-called experts are still in place (one factor being that if you fired everyone, there would be nearly anybody to take care of autistic children...)


    I'm thinking of the UK and I'm afraid the cleaning will take time. And maybe it's better to have no official diagnosis of ME here in France, because in a few years (or months? [​IMG]) there will be no need to wipe the room, we'll start from scratches.
     
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    One by one, with peace of mind, they are quietly retiring, plainly satisfied because all their life they've tried to relieve suffering.
     
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    if they wouldn't use psychoanlysis they would use behaviourism which is a bit better but not so much and it's still insane. So as it stands now the insanity can only be replaced with another insanity.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/emilywi...apy-is-torture-says-un-official/#2e5330744fc2

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-education-center-electric-shock-therapy.html
     
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    For kids with autism psychoanalysis is completely destructive, it says it's a psychosis caused by problems in the mother-children interaction, being the fault of the mother. It's bad science. Behavioral techniques, if used without ideology, are way better. They acknoledge the biological nature of the disorder and don't try to put the blame on anyone (theoretically, I'm sure if children don't improve, a few AH will say it's the parent's fault) But even if they're not magical, if behavioral techniques have been oversold and great promises have been made to parents, (yes your son will talk, he will interact, these techniques are wonderfull...), it's better than Freudian theories.
     
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    They do accept that biology plays a role but that doesn't mean that psychotherapy can't fix biology!

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...haviour-transformed-So-experts-sceptical.html
     
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    Its previously been seriously discussed as a cult.
     
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    That's encouraging news.

    The psychoanalytic school of thought came up with "refrigerator mothers". Blech! It's shameful that these poor mothers were blamed for their child's physical condition and the guilt placed upon them.because of this.

    That was a long time ago and things have changed but it's appalling that it wasn't until this year that this happened at all,

    Thanks for this post. It was certainly eye opening.

    ETA Somehow I missed the rest of the thread. I didn't realize I had posted. :bang-head:

    Still worth repeating.:rolleyes:
     
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    Christ. I don't know whether to laugh or cry. How is it that so many of these illnesses are getting the same treatment, all at the same time?
     
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    The modern-day descendents of witch doctors? Or is that being too hard on witch doctors?
     
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    http://masondixonautistic.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/challenging-behaviourists.html

    From the viewpoint of a man with autism.

    (emphasis added)
     

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