Hey Knackered, I remember watching that Youtube video years ago (and many responses, one guy in particular but I can't remember his name now), thanks for posting it up, it's a very well mannered argument though I don't think he gives Christians quite enough credit for the responses could give but I liked the questions he chose to ask and the way he resolves them for an atheistic view point. On a related note but a far less well mannered approach, have you ever seen any of George Carlins stand-up about prayer and religion? I can't post up what I'm thinking of because of the language but even though he dresses up his argument for comedy he makes a really good point. I think it's agiven that believe in the healing power of God (or any God of your choice) and the healing power of prayer is not a universal belief on this forum and I hope that this diversity can be shown to anyone reading the board or this particular thread. I think it's difficult to step into a thread on any religion, especially when it involves someone we all think is lovely, and question it without it becoming personal. A healing story such as this is extreme, especially to non-Christian/non-believers, and it has negative associations. This doesn't necessarily stop anyone being happy for Rachel, (sorry to talk about you like you aren't here) but it doesn't sit comfortably with many people. A belief in the power of prayer cannot be solved scientifically because religion is inheritantly unscientific and mythical. If believing in God were fact, then it wouldn't be called faith - a quote by someone I don't remember.