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Keith Laws's thought on PACE follow-up study

Discussion in 'General ME/CFS News' started by JohntheJack, Nov 1, 2015.

  1. JohntheJack

    JohntheJack Senior Member

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  2. Never Give Up

    Never Give Up Collecting improvements, until there's a cure.

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    I especially like his inclusion of these lyrics

    Holes by Mercury Rev
    Holes, dug by little moles, angry jealous
    Spies, got telephones for eyes, come to you as
    Friends, all those endless ends, that can't be
    Tied, oh they make me laugh, an' always make me
    ....Cry

    And the related music video. His other blog posts criticise CBT in other contexts.

    I like this guy!
     
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  3. Sidereal

    Sidereal Senior Member

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    Keith Laws is a professor of neuropsychology and a well-known critic of CBT for psychosis quackery.
     
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  4. JohntheJack

    JohntheJack Senior Member

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    In another life Keith was a founding member of 'The The'. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Laws
     
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  5. Woolie

    Woolie Gone now, hope to see you all again soon somewhere

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    Oh my god, I never knew this. The The are a legend! Sadly, though, it seems he left before their iconic "Uncertain smile".
     
  6. Sidereal

    Sidereal Senior Member

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    Comment on Keith Laws' blogpost:

     
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  7. Sasha

    Sasha Fine, thank you

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    I'm confused - what CBT + APT arm?
     
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  8. Sidereal

    Sidereal Senior Member

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    I assume she meant CBT + SMC arm.
     
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  9. worldbackwards

    worldbackwards A unique snowflake

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    More from Keef on PACE, this time on a Tim Buckley tip:
    http://keithsneuroblog.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/song-for-siren.html
     
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    Wessely's piece was weird: not wanting to bore people with responses to some of the more technical criticisms of PACE, but instead developing an extended naval metaphor and going on about how randomisation is important - as if PACE being randomised somehow dealt with patient's concerns (none of which relate to randomisation).
     
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    SOC

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    Perhaps he's so scientifically ignorant that he thinks that all there is to an RCT is randomisation? o_O
     
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  12. Esther12

    Esther12

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    There are a lot of ways in which PACE is a very good piece of medical research. If it were not for the fatal flaws it would have been worth all that money.
     
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    worldbackwards A unique snowflake

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    It's an interesting piece of sociological research as well, observing how psychiatry operates when it's assumptions are put under pressure, and how medicine circles the wagons to allow them to go unchallenged.

    I wouldn't be entirely surprised if it were announced one day that the whole thing had been a piece of performance art, commissioned as a sad commentary on the corruption of science in the modern age. I'd pay £5 million for that.
     
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    I really doubt it. However that appears to be his message. Its more like do not think as I think, think as I say.
     
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    This is an even bigger problem. Medicine gives the appearance of being against pseudoscience, but globally its the isolated voices of doctors and scientists who fight to improve medicine and psychiatry.
     
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  16. Woolie

    Woolie Gone now, hope to see you all again soon somewhere

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    Love this phrase, @worldbackwards!
     
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    I'm afraid I'm not convinced she was in the PACE Trial. People entered the trial some time between March 18, 2005 and Nov 28, 2008 and treatment ended less than a year later, well before December 19, 2011.

    Also, sounds like this was a group course, while the PACE Trial was individual therapy.

    People routinely fill in questionnaires for the clinics so perhaps she was thinking of that.
     
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