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Is This Funny?

Discussion in 'General ME/CFS News' started by starryeyes, Jan 18, 2010.

  1. starryeyes

    starryeyes Senior Member

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    This Blogger, David Plotz, has blogged about the Bible and he mentions Chronic Fatigue Syndrome in a way that some might find offensive:

    David's an interesting blogger who makes good points about the Bible. I realize he just meant this in a humorous way but I think we might want to try to get people to change their blogs etc... when they use CFS in humor like this. Clearly, they don't understand what we're up against. What do you all think? He encourages comments.

    link:

    http://www.slate.com/id/2143176/entry/2143177/

    David's email:

    plotzd@slate.com
     
  2. Knackered

    Knackered Guest

    Replace CFS with AIDS and see if it gets a laugh.
     
  3. starryeyes

    starryeyes Senior Member

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    That's a good litmus test Knackered, thanks. :)

    Well, no.. that doesn't get a laugh from me. It gets a "what the heck?" Equally so with MS.

    It all goes back to our stupid name, doesn't it? I wrote him and asked him nicely to remove this joke from his blog. One step at a time, right?
     
  4. Navid

    Navid Senior Member

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    unfunny joke

    hi

    thanks for bringing this to our attention. i sent a note to the blogger also. it's this type of snide comment that keeps the disease in the joke sphere rather than being treated as a serious ailment.

    regards, lisag
     
  5. Esther12

    Esther12 Senior Member

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    Doesn't really work when there's a diagnostic test.

    "If he lived in the 21st century, this is the point when Moses would be claiming he needed time off work to recover from being 'raped'." might be closer. That would get some laughs!
     
  6. Lily

    Lily *Believe*

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    Esther!!!!! What are you THINKING????? I do not GET your sense of humor AT ALL!!!
     
  7. Wayne

    Wayne Senior Member

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    David Plotz Denigrating Comments on CFS

    Hi Teejkay,

    I was feeling pretty even-keeled this morning until I saw David Plotz's comment about CFS. It upset me and I did send him an e-mail. It may have been a little harsh, but perhaps he needs to hear some things in a clear and unambiguous manner.

    Wayne
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    My e-mail to David Plotz

    Do you have any idea how ignorant and mean-spirited this comment is? Do you realize how much credibility you lose as well?

    Was this supposed to be some kind of joke? Do you make similar jokes about people with other major neurological diseases like Parkinsons, ALS, MS, etc.? Or people with cancer, AIDs, etc.?

    My goodness, what were you thinking????????
     
  8. Katie

    Katie Guest

    What the...?

    Esther, how on earth do you equate that horrendous crime with CFS? I don't understand the leap you made and I'm quite shocked that you suggested it as comparable. The only way I can make the leap is if you posit CFS as an illness as a result of an awful trauma, like PTSD.
     
  9. dipic

    dipic Senior Member

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    Esther was clearly being sarcastic. :/
     
  10. Samuel

    Samuel Bedbound with NO DOCTOR

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    Choose your enemies

    Let's remember who our enemies are. I wrote to him in no uncertain terms, but once educated, bloggers at Slate can be powerful allies.
     
  11. Katie

    Katie Guest

    Yeah, most sarcastic comments don't usually touch on rape and ME. It wasn't clear to me, especially as he/she qualified her reasoning with the diagnostic comment. Anyway, it doesn't need making a mountain out of, I think it just took me off gaurd.
     
  12. Esther12

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    Rape, ME and AIDS!

    I was saying that the joke wouldn't work with AIDS. The joke's dependant on it being a claim which is difficult to verify (not that I want to get into the technichalities here!) - but for the point made by Knackered it's also required to be something which is not seen as fit for comedy in the way in which CFS so widely is.

    I didn't mean to take you by surprise.
     
  13. Katie

    Katie Guest

    I kinda get it now. It's weird what's fair game in comedy and what isn't, George Carlin was one to push the boundaries in that way and he was brilliant (I now pray to Joe Pesci ;) ) It's also weird, that when ME over here has been spoken about derogatively, it's usually been in a blaming and angry fashion, I've not seen it often used in jokes here but then I did a good job on my own personal media blackout on ME matters for a good long while. Now my media blackouts include Jordan and Peter, the recent snow (it's just snow, why the rolling news coverage?), any political speech that includes the buzzwords "broken society" and "aspiration" it all makes my brain bleed through my eyes and think that Jeremy Kyle is a reasonable example of living. The last sentence will have made little sense to most folk outside the UK.
     
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    Jeremy Kyle is like Gerry Springer, forgot her name but a two females did similar here and over in US but worse than that. He is the worst. It has to be seen to be believed. Expliotation of peoples problems with him takeing the moralistic high ground for the sake of entertainment
     
  15. ixchelkali

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    No, not funny. Only humorous to those who believe "everybody knows" that people with chronic fatigue syndrome are just whining malingerers. Just an example of insensitivity and ignorance, probably at least in part to the #@% stupid name given to this disease.
     
  16. Dainty

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    Hey everyone...

    While I agree the statement made is quite ignorant of him and offensive to us, I'd recommend we keep in mind the fact that this blog entry was written 3 1/2 years ago and therefore the author may not have it fresh in his memory. I recommend that any feedback given be done in the spirit of "I am sure you have learned more facts about this truly debilitating health condition and realize how offensive your statement appeared to those who suffer from it." People tend to be more open to criticism when you indicate that you're giving them the benefit of the doubt, and perhaps the outpouring of our responses might cause him to consider doing a bit of research.
     
  17. Professor Peter White recently said (laughing) Senile Dementia, then Neuresthenia.

    Which is actually offensive to people with Dementia and the label CFS.

    It's quite incredible just how nasty people are, who are paid to look after us.

    There is apparently no end, (if you're a doctor) to this nonsense.

    They realise as we are physically and mentally vulnerable (anxiety/stress making diease worse)
    we cannot protest. Always pick on the vulnerable is their motto. The vulnerable have little to no defence.
    Easy target.
     
  18. starryeyes

    starryeyes Senior Member

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    True Dys and Daisy I agree, I wrote a nice email explaining that we don't find jokes like that funny and that CFS is a serious illness and I asked him to remove the joke. It wouldn't actually affect his Blog to do so at all. It was an odd side-comment and had nothing to do with the Bible or Moses or even the event.
     
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    I emailed him with links both to Sophie Mirza's mother's site and the youtube video of Ean Proctor talking about the abuse he suffered from medical workers and social workers as a paralysed child; he hasn't replied.
     
  20. Dainty

    Dainty Senior Member

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    Has no one else received a reply?

    Here was my email to him:

    I received the following reply two minutes after my message was sent:

    While I am, of course, disappointed, I have to remember that it was written years ago and he is now the editor Slate's webzine, so it's a huge job and I'm sure he hears these sorts of comments on various subjects on a daily basis. I believe our comments would have been more effective if we had written when it first came out; as it stands, hopefully he'll keep the incident in mind when it comes to future references to CFS by Slate magazine.
     

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