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is LCF necessary?

Discussion in 'Detox: Methylation; B12; Glutathione; Chelation' started by Aerose91, Sep 25, 2015.

  1. Aerose91

    Aerose91 Senior Member

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    I know a lot of people (myself included) get very revved up from LCF in the beginning but I haven't seen a lot of people who ultimately saw much result from it. I know Freddd has it as part of his deadlock quartet but is it always necessary? If not as a principal nutrient, if as a needed cofactor?
     
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    ahmo Senior Member

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    Sorry I can't give you a more definitive answer. LCF. Here's something Fred had to say about it:

    http://forums.phoenixrising.me/index.php?threads/the-stages-of-methylation-and- healing.21725/

     
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  3. Aerose91

    Aerose91 Senior Member

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    Thanks, ahmo, that does help. I'll keep moving forward but one thing that bothers me about all of Freddd's teachings is they all revolve around how something effected him personally. I feel that's never a good reason to imitate a protocol.
     
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    ahmo Senior Member

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    Yes, the protocol was developed around what worked for Fred. But there are many others of us who have seen the same types of improvements. In a perfect world, we wouldn't be having to work things out for ourselves. Or, maybe this is, indeed, the perfect path.;)

    Here's another comment re LCF reaction. http://forums.phoenixrising.me/inde...c-back-to-square-one.35556/page-2#post-645086
     
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    picante Senior Member

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    If I understand right, the carnitine/AdB12 combination is necessary for healing your nervous system. And the more deficient your CNS, the stronger your reaction (like Freddd's).

    I haven't had any discernible reaction to LCF, positive or negative. I suspect I may be one of the 10% who benefit from ALCar, though, and that's what I usually take.

    My NAT2 snps fit in with this finding:
    I keep wondering if perhaps the slow acetylator types might be one of the groups who benefit from supplementing acetyl groups. Any thoughts?
     
  6. Sherpa

    Sherpa Ex-workaholic adrenaline junkie

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    I don't need LCF for energy. MethylFolate + B12 + iodine and thyroid supporting nutrients has me up, going out, and at the gym and yoga studio. If I need a boost for a serious workout or something I'll take d-ribose.

    My problems are different than Fredd's problems and Aerose91's problems - and my solution may be different.
     
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    I had huge tension & anxiety meltdowns from LCF, & had (on Fred's advice) to switch to liquid carnitine, which I can titrate up from low doses.

    I haven't noticed effects from it, but they would be hard to discern, as I am taking the other 3 DQs simultaneously. Health is slowly improving from the protocol as a whole. The nice thing is that a rising tide lifts all boats: So everything improves at once (for me): Gut, mood, skin, cognition, etc.

    Fred has tested his DQs on about 1,000 people, so his experience isn't limited to himself alone.
     

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