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International Congress of the Royal College of Psychiatrists 2011

Discussion in 'General ME/CFS News' started by Bob, Jun 24, 2011.

  1. Bob

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    The Royal College of Psychiatrists
    International Congress of the Royal College of Psychiatrists 2011
    Hilton Metropole, Brighton, UK
    28 June - 1 July 2011

    Website:
    http://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/events/internationalcongress2011.aspx

    Conference Program:
    http://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/pdf/Programme in detail update 15.pdf


    From page 18 on the conference program:

    Disorders at the interface of neurology and psychiatry training course

    TC2 If only we could find the brain lesion we could tell patients it is not all in their head - CFS-ME moving from rhetoric to science

    Diagnostic assessment- physical, psychological and laboratory
    Dr Alan Carson, Consultant Neuropsychiatrist, Edinburgh

    XMRV- the story of a retrovirus
    Professor Myra McClure, Professor of Retrovirology, Imperial College, London

    An evidence based approach to treatment
    Professor Peter White, Professor of Psychological Medicine, St Bartholomews Hospital, London



    The Royal College of Psychiatrists' ironic slogan, from their website: "Let Wisdom Guide"
     
  2. Bob

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    So this raises a few questions for me:

    1. Does the subject subtitle display a light-hearted sense of humour, or a deep disdain and disrespect for ME/CFS patients?
    "If only we could find the brain lesion we could tell patients it is not all in their head - CFS-ME moving from rhetoric to science"

    2. Why is Professor Myra McClure, a retrovirologist who failed to detect XMRV in ME patients, presenting at an international conference for psychiatrists? Why the importance of having such an emphasis on a negative outcome? What significance does this have for psychiatrists in relation to CFS/ME?

    3. How truthfully is Prof Peter White going to present the PACE Trial results, and how responsibly is he going to present his conclusions based on the PACE Trial results?


    (These are mainly rhetorical questions, of course, as I think I already know the answers.)
     
  3. Enid

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    If only we could find the brain lesion - well plenty of "high spots" in mine taken together with other "abnormalties" baffled my Neurologist - that's the thing - the psychiatric "field" is far too narrow for any real investigation of ME/CFS. Finally my Neurologist agreed it had to be viral so more work to do for McClure.
     
  4. Bob

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    Yes, Prof Hooper could show them the brain lesions on his SPECT scans of his ME patients.
     
  5. Esther12

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    If only we can find the distorted cognitions - then we could tell them they're not physically ill.
     
  6. eric_s

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    Well, F* them... Sorry for the blunt laguage, but i have been travelling and not sleeping enough for the last 2 days and am pretty close to the limits of my patience...

    It's not worth spending our precious time and energy on the bs those people produce. It only puts a strain on our nerves.

    You can either finally try to rein them in (this will be hard work, no doubt, but it should be possible) or then i guess i would just switch my brain to ignore mode and wait for the rest of the world to save you from this mess. You have a lot to fix in the UK, a lot of cleaning up to do, really.

    But they are producing this sort of insanity (the BMJ article was the latest example) on a more or less daily basis, at will, and i think it's almost doing them a favour to follow it all and suffer from reading it, while not being able to change it.

    No offense intened, it's just how i feel about it.
     
  7. alex3619

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    Hi Esther12, my sentiments exactly. The entire biospsychosocial field, somatic medicine, argues that they are right because there is no objective evidence of pathology. They in turn supply no objective evidence at all.

    So on the one hand we have the biomedical approach with masses of hard data, which has as its major problem that it is not understood, not that it is dubious.

    On the other hand we have the biopsychosocial field, with almost no hard data, relying mainly on subjective surveys that do not address the major issues, but only the issues based on unproven theory. When objective hard data is produced, it typically contradicts the entire hypothesis - which they then dismiss.

    If they want to apply the standard of hard irrefutable physical evidence, then they are the least likely theory of all, because they have almost none, and the physical evidence typically shows they are wrong.

    Bye
    Alex
     
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    We have a lot to clean up here - quite agree eric. People working in various ways (too few) for years against the misinformation produced by psychiatrists who placed the stranglehold on ME/CFS. Oh but look at our "science" they say and through sheer arrogance and willful ignorance of all international biomedical pathologies and findings battle to keep their presence in the disease by villifying patients (I had that too) and denigrating everyone (scientists too) who challenge their position.

    White - an evidence based approach to treatment - Sigh !
     
  9. Snow Leopard

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    Here are his research interests:
    http://www.smhrn.org.uk/staff/profile.asp?staffID=14

    They should change the title to 'CFS-ME moving from rhetoric to more rhetoric.' ;)
     
  10. Eric_s
    If there's any justice, they'll come down with M.E., Gibbering Gaseous Grapeshot Baboon Bum of Death, and Venusian Dick Rot all at the same time! :mask:

    These bozos just make me think of Monty Python, their lunacy is so obtuse and counter to common sense, I expect to see them set up the Ministry of Silly Walks.... :thumbsup:
     
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    neuropsychiatry you got to love that, a medical field that preceded psychiatry and neurology. One that today is a specialist field.

    Ironically one that today substantiates it's existence by pointing to true neurological disorders like Parkinson's, Epilepsy, Alzheimer's Disease and most ironically of all Multiple Sclerosis and the psychiatric symptoms such as depression and psychosis those afflicted often suffer from.

    Yet he works with pure psychiatrists who view this disorder as not being a neurological disorder simply based on the fact that their is no substantial basis of proof to support a biological cause let alone a neurological one.
     
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