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Infections and glutamine

Discussion in 'General Treatment' started by heapsreal, Jun 14, 2015.

  1. heapsreal

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    The link is more to do with overtraining syndrome but I'm sure we can benefit from some of the information here.

    I think it's possible that if we can improve anabolic catabolic ratio that we can improve immune function and also maybe reduce pem as glutamine and bcaa could help with maintaining anabolism.
     
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    I started taking BCAAs and glutamine last November and within a week my recovery time from PEM decreased by more than half. I've done a few posts about this, you might do a search. Actually, I just found the first post I did on this: http://forums.phoenixrising.me/index.php?threads/bcaas-reducing-pem.34719/
    Hip later added BCAAs as possible remedies for PEM in some of this threads.


    Here's some articles which got me started on the BCAAs and glutamine (which I still take):

    http://www.dynamicchiropractic.com/mpacms/dc/article.php?id=41341
    http://www.ncf-net.org/forum/Fword.htm
    http://jn.nutrition.org/content/136/2/544S.full
    http://www.sportsci.org/jour/9901/rbk.html
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11310928

    A couple of the articles talk about "central fatigue" and this sounded a lot like PEM to me.

    When I first started the glutamine, it caused a detox reaction and I later learned it is needed for phase II liver detoxification. Several things used to cause detoxing for me, including glycine and inositol, two other amino acids. I don't know how I did it, but I persevered in small doses and now I no longer detox from these things. Actually I don't seem to be detoxing at all any more after doing it for years and years. Here's a very interesting article (I know, off topic :)) about liver detoxification. I'm thinking taking the glutamine and glycine and inositol were instrumental in helping to get my detox pathways working right: http://www.diagnose-me.com/treatment/liver-detoxification-phase-II-support.html
     
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    That really helped me, too, in the beginning. I would take a bunch before and after workouts, and my body felt SO good. It also kept me from getting PEM after workout days. I'm super sensitive to any supplements now, so I can't take it anymore...but I loved it.
     
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    @Mary
    thanks.
    interesting . In the past when exercising i have used ribose and creatine to help reduce or avoid pem but it didnt help alot.

    So im looking at bcaa and glutamine. I havent tried it in the past as i would have thought with high protein intake i wouldnt need it but im definitely considering these aminos.
     
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    @Mary have you noticed this causing weight gain? I'd kill for reduced PEM but don't need weight.

    Maybe that's if you work out while taking it?
     
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    Would a person benefit from supplemented glutamine, if they have plenty of glutamine rich foods in their diet?
     
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    This explains a lot about my current situation. Admittedly I should know better by now, but the weather has been so nice lately that I started for a brief period to come out of my illness addled stupor and feel capable of living like a halfway normal person for a bit.

    It got cold, I had overdone it, and I didn't just crash, I cratered into a hole.

    Incidentally, my girlfriend had bought me some BCAA supplements a month ago, they contain glutamine among other amino acids, and it does seem to be having a positive impact.

    Taurine for some reason seems to cause respiratory issues, could that mean I have some sort of allergy or problem metabolizing sulfur?
     
  9. AndyPandy

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    I tried glutamine a while ago but 125mg made me feel really out of control, agitated, angry and irritable so I stopped it after a couple of doses.

    Best wishes, Andy.
     
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    It did for myself as well initially, however after having taken the BCAA supplement containing glutamine for some time now, it doesn't seem to be affecting me.

    Granted I did step down the total amount of my dosage.
     
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    The BCAAs and glutamine have not caused any weight gain for me. I take them daily. Creatine is the one that I've read can cause weight gain which I don't need either!

    I can't work out - don't have the stamina or it would just cause me to crash badly. The main thing I've noticed with t he BCAAs and glutamine is that my PEM recovery time has been cut by a little more than half I think.

    At one time they seemed to have actually stopped me from crashing, but it didn't last. So I still crash as much as usual if I overdo it - but my recovery time has been greatly shortened.
     
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    You might try reading a couple of the articles I linked. At least it wouldn't hurt to try the BCAAs and glutamine :) (I don't think!)

    I've been taking d-ribose for many years. It's never helped with PEM, I think it just helps produce energy. I recently started taking 4 mg. of creatine and haven't noticed anything different with that.
     
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    I don't know. I would do some research. I know many people swear by it. As a side benefit, it's supposed to help reduce sugar cravings - which isn't an issue for me, but I know people for whom it is.

    I think the BCAAs are primarily responsible for reducing or shortening the length of my PEM recovery time, but I think the glutamine is good too.
     
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