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I think i put the puzzle together

Discussion in 'General ME/CFS News' started by Ian, Sep 4, 2011.

  1. mellster

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    Thanks for the explanation & summary and congrats to the already experienced improvement, hope you will completely get rid of it soon.
  2. Dan_USAAZ

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    Hi Ian,
    Thank you for posting this information. Based on what you have learned about this illness, I wonder if you might be able to comment on my situation.

    As a teenager playing school sports, I jammed one of my front teeth. It was sore for a few days, but cleared up and did not cause me any immediate issues. Some months later, the root of this tooth and the area below it in the jaw developed a small lump and pressure. There was minor pain, but nothing significant.

    I did not get this treated for about 15 years. When I finally had it treated, my dentist told me that the tooth had died from the original sporting mishap and an abscess formed around the root in the jaw. My dentist sent me to an oral surgeon for a root canal. Because the infection kept returning, the root canal had to be performed two more times. It has now been 10+ years since the last root canal. There no longer appears to be an abscess that I can detect.

    With this condition, are you saying that there may still be damage/infection in the bone that is affecting me? Does what I describe sound like the conditions that would produce the necrosis/gangrene in the jaw that you are referring to?

    Opinions from others are very welcome as well.
    Thanks for any input.
    Dan

    Sushi,
    If you know of a specialist in the US that deals with this type of condition, I would appreciate it if you could let me know. Please feel free to PM me.

    Thanks much,
    Dan
  3. Ian

    Ian Senior Member

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    Hi Dan,
    it's the blood which supplies the oxygen to your cells, without it they would die. When the nerve of a tooth dies, not only is the blood supply gone, but the supply of oxygen is gone too, so the only bacteria which can grow are anaerobic. The fact you already had a abscess in the bone, says already that the infection has spread to the bone. The standard dental point of view would say, if there is no abscess and no visible anomaly on the x-ray, everything is fine. But from my experience, I would say this tooth itself, and the bone around it are probably major source of toxins in your body.

    As for dentists, I am not in the states. But look for any dentist with a cavitat scanner or an iaomt dentist as they are likely to understand the problems. You might be interested in this book as well.

    http://www.amazon.com/Root-Canal-Cover-Up-George-Meinig/dp/0945196199
  4. Ian

    Ian Senior Member

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    Well, I had my op. I had significant hole/infection in the bone. Some pics :p You can see its basically invisible to x-ray. I bet theres millions of people walking around with hidden infections like this.

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  5. gu3vara

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    I'm curious about this Ian as I noticed for the last year that my face is slightly swollen on the left side. For the last 4 months, I started having a swollen gum too on the same side, and it won't go away despite flossing and using mouthwash. I'm thinking my immune system is finally getting stronger and able to attack the infection, not sure if it can succeed on it's own. No idea if it's viral or bacterial. I waited a bit because it's not worsening but I think it might affect my jaw too so I will go to a dentist to have them look at it.

    My question : what are they doing exactly when they want to remove this jaw infection? Surgery and antibiotics?
  6. Ian

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    This type of infection is really a kind of necrosis. There is normally no pain or swelling. When they operate they basically cut diseased/dead bone away until healthy bone is reached. Then flush the whole area with ozone which is O3, breaks down into oxygen. Oxygen is toxic to anaerobic bacteria. It's really the same treatment you would give if someone had gangrene in an area of the body. The problem is v similar.

    Your swollen face might be lymph nodes. But if it is swollen like that, it sounds like you have some sort of significant problem ..
  7. m1she11e

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    This is a very expensive road to go down because these types of dentists dont accept insurance and I understand why they dont. If I had the money I would explore my dental issues first and foremost. Interesting thing is recently I was on two round of Amoxicillan for a tooth infection. During the time I was on it I felt better than normal. I thought I was just going through a better "phase." I have been looking to see if Amoxicillan treats Lyme or Mycoplasma and it doesnt appear to be on of the major antibiotics used for either of those. I was thinking of having my doctor just try me on some for awhile and see what happens. It could be that it was working on a jaw infection all along??? I get that is just a temporary fix if it is a bone infection. I believe the Mercury, cavitation, root canal connection is big in any illness!!

    Anyone know anything about going to Tijuana to some of the dental clinics there??? I have heard it is about 80 percent less expensive and if you know where to go, etc it is well worth the trip.
  8. sianrecovery

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    Hi Ian
    Thanks for posting, I read this with great interest. I have had CFS for some years, and last year, when a tooth became abcessed, discovered I had had a long running infection not only in that tooth but a number of others. In the last year, I have had four extractions, all metal crowns removed, and all root fillings re-done. It cost. I am now left with neuropathic facial pain and depleted by multiple antibiotic courses. I'm lucky in that I'm also being treated by Dr Myhill, who I really respect and admire, and who has helped alot. I wish those quackwatch people hadnt broke the guys who did your scan, because it sounds hugely helpful. I hope you continue to get well
    Sian
  9. Ian

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    Hi Sian, it sounds like you could do with a cavitat scan .. My guess is it would show infection around all your root canal teeth + where your had those previous teeth extracted. Dentists never bother removing the periodontal ligaments which hold teeth in, without their removal, especially in the back molars it has a high chance of leaving a cavitation in your jaw. Pretty much what my picture above shows .. If the infection directly effects the nerve in your jaw, you can get pain pretty much all over your face I believe. Sometimes dentists wrongly take out teeth in an effort to cure this pain, when all along the infection is hiding at the back of the mouth somewhere. It is possible to find where the infection is, by using drops of anaesthetic all along the jawline until the pain is turned off. Vets use this technique in animals too, for things like leg pain, when they need to find the exact position of the source of the problem. One of the American cavitation dentists, had some guy with neuralgia facial pain, and basically he killed himself and left his head to this guy to dissect, to find out what was wrong with him. I saw a picture of, basically there was infection in his jaw where the roots of a tooth used to be, but the nerve was in between the roots and was directly effected by the infection, hence his pain. Maybe MRI would have helped these people too ... seeing as how x-ray is so useless.

    As for DrMyhill, shes probably the only doctor in the uk worth seeing if you have CFS.
  10. snowathlete

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    I think this post, and the other ones youve made about Cavitation, are really interesting and im wondering if i have a problem like this too.

    I just started the methylation protocol and started getting tooth pain, i think its switched my immune system back on properly. It makes me wonder how long ive had an issue with my teeth but not felt pain as the immune system has been unable to do anything about it. This being the case, whatever infection i have could have grown and affected the bone. The worse pain is where i had root canal.

    I found a place in Bedford, UK that does cavitat stuff, but are there others? I am in Wiltshire, and could do without the long trip.

    Also, is it possible to see someone local with a standard MRI setup correctly? Im guessing that might be easier for me, and cheaper too?

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