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I recovered with Lightning Process.

Discussion in 'Alternative Therapies' started by cheeky, Nov 13, 2016.

  1. cheeky

    cheeky

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    Dear phoenixes!

    I am very international human being and currently reside in Moscow. I would like to share my story with you.

    This forum was a great source of information for me while I was sick and was looking for the possible treatments. This is where I found information about LP. I was very sceptical at first, thought it was a scam and as many wrote on this forum: there are not that many LP success stories on this forum. But after I tried many pills I decided I had nothing to loose and traveled to London to take the course. That was best decision of my life. LP didnt help me like this! it was a hard work and I recovered by 70% in two weeks and was 100% in3-4 weeks more. The total recovery could be faster but I was lazy and not 100% commited to applying LP into my life ;)

    I think LP is absolutely fantastic and deeply believe every one with CFS would greatly benefit from it. I am almost 100% sure that many of those who didnt benefit were not very accurate with applying it to life cause it needs a lot of commitment, reseliense and integrity. I didnt see any results in more than a week when finally I was able to hack it and adjust to my needs.This is when I felt the real difference.

    The story of my life with CFS and decision to go for LP was published in one of the biggest medias in Moscow. You can use google translate to understand it. Google Translate is fantastic!

    http://www.the-village.ru/village/p...ign=pervye-dni-ya-prosto-ne-verila-svoemu-sch

    I recovered by late summer but it took a while to make a decision to publish my story on this forum.When you are recovered, the last thing you want to do is to think about CFS and have any connction to it. I think this is the real reason while there are few LP recovery stories here. But i genuinely believe that my story can help others to make a decision to go for LP and free their lifes from CFS.

    If you have doubts whether my story is real or is it some creepy advertisment - u can always google me. I am a bit of a public person and there are few other interviews and videos with me online. Not like I am advertising myself, but I think it is easier to believe someone who can be proved to be a real life person ;)))

    I wish everyone to get rid of CFS so so much! May luck be with you ;)
     
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  2. taniaaust1

    taniaaust1 Senior Member

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    Thanks Polina for sharing. I hope people can be polite to you over your experience being different to theres. The big issue is we all dont have the same illness going on. May I ask you what ME/CFS diagnostic criteria you were diagnosed under?

    That's a bit harsh and you will be bound to get some backlash back with saying that due to what you are implying there (that ones in which it has failed have lacked commitment, reselience and integrity). We dont all have the same illness and some have really tried that and got worst from doing so.

    May I strongly suggest that you change that comment which is bound to fire some up. Its not that some get well with psych treatments which annoy the ME community but when people start implying not nice things about them as they cant get better though they've tried hard.

    world war 3 may be about to hit without a bit of a post change lol
     
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  3. Snowdrop

    Snowdrop Rebel without a biscuit

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    yes, most of us sick people here lack commitment to get well, have zero resilience and no integrity whatsoever. :rolleyes:
     
  4. Kina

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    I am glad you have recovered.

    I personally don't think that LP has any merit whatsoever as a treatment for ME/CFS. That's all I am going to say regarding that.

    I am confused because in the article you linked to, you said:

    Many ME/CFS forums are all patients have and they are very proactive and helpful.

    Blaming a patient for not trying hard enough to get better is really not appropriate. This is the modus operandi of the Lightening Process --- if it fails it is all your fault. They taught you well. Recovery from disease is about finding the right treatment that treats the disease, not about having certain personality traits.

    MODERATOR'S NOTE -- please avoid personal attacks, criticism of LP is fine.
     
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  5. taniaaust1

    taniaaust1 Senior Member

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    Im wondering what ME/CFS testable abnormalities you had showing up on your tests? eg what showed up on your test result to make your dr think there was something wrong with your immune system?

    ...........


    Im reading your blog post now.

    I think that part is inaccurate and are wondering what references you used which gave you this idea? Ive seen no studies on that. In fact where America's biggest outbreak was at Lake Tahoe, it was in a tiny town which only had 2 doctors if Im remembering correctly.

    I myself lived in a small country town when I got sick.

    Ohh as drs these sound shocking, two of them telling you you will get better if you gave birth and recommending as a treatment for a viral infection.. that is crazy. With drs as bad as that I wouldnt even trust them to give you a correct CFS diagnoses.
     
  6. *GG*

    *GG* Senior Member

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    Maybe you were not giving it 100% and being a little lazy. LOL Just a joke. Don't think her Native tongue is English, pretty well written, b, but that one is a a zinger. Thought this post was spam, guess not.

    GG
     
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  7. taniaaust1

    taniaaust1 Senior Member

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    Its usually far more then just "weariness" , that isnt a common way for a ME/CFS person to refer to their illness (though I see from your blog post that you did have other symtoms too). I dont think I saw delayed post exertional symptoms mentioned in your blog (that is more of a hallmark for ME). Did you get delayed symptoms to activities?

    So you didnt get brain fog either? Brain fog is the second most common symptom in this illness.

    symptoms you had though can be in this illness are less common ones eg eye pain only occurs in 30% of this illness (and from what Ive observed usually the more severe ones)., panic attacks 30-40%

    Thou you did have some ME/CFS symptoms, your presentation of it if I go by your blog post (no delayed post exertional symptoms ..its not just fatigue, post exertional symptoms hit usually with more then that symptom and no brain fog) isnt the normal presentation of ME

    To check out more what Im saying, check out http://wwcoco.com/cfids/bernesx.html http://wwcoco.com/cfids/bernesx.html as that is where Im getting my statistics from which were based on ME/CFS studies. also "figures were compiled to indicate the average total number of symptoms experienced all of the time (11 symptoms) and the average total number of symptoms experienced by each patient some of the time (18.6 symptoms)." I wasnt getting the impression from your post that you have a long list of symptoms

    Im curious what the total amount of your symptoms on that list are..

    Though of cause that could mean you were more minor version then average which also could explain why you had some chance of recovering better though that recovery with the way you got yours, for a ME patient wouldnt be normal

    Also i wouldnt consider you cured as I see from your blog you still have sleep issues since your illness and if you did have ME/CFS that is one of the symptoms, obviously recovered some of whatever you had be it minor ME or something else but not cured.
     
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    Firefly_ Senior Member

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    I think Cheeky just did a hit and run. We're talking to ourselves.
     
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  9. J.G

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    I attended a Lightning Process information meeting in London once. It sounded like a load of bull to me.

    From what I understand, the LP's self-proclaimed efficacy pivots on an unorthodox reading of the fuzzy concept of 'neuroplasticity'. Neuroplasticity, broadly defined, refers to the collective changes occurring to a person's brain during their lifetime. The Lightning Process, however, uses neuroplasticity to signify the brain's hypothetical ability to re-route itself to create some kind of poorly defined positive outcome.

    They claim their method helps you take control of this process for clinical benefit on a timeframe of a mere two weeks. During the meeting I attended, it was touted as effective for anything from CFS to IBS to depression to 'being stuck in a rut'. And of course, if it doesn't work, it's always the patient's fault, never the method's.

    When I mentioned the Lightning Process' take on neuroplasticity to an ME/CFS specialist, he guffawed. It is highly dubious whether we can consciously 'reprogram' our minds in the first place. To think it can be done at 'lightning' speed is preposterous; to consider it feasible to think one's way out of a hard-hitting biological illness even more so.

    If PR forums had a dislike button, I would apply it to this thread.
     
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  10. A.B.

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    Biomedical research has found a number of biological abnormalities in CFS. It is not credible to claim that these can be reverted with motivational technique such as the Lightning Process. Claims that mental attitude can cause or cure physical illness are pseudoscience.

    So there are some big problems with your claim that you have recovered from CFS. The question I have is what's your medical history? How long have you been ill, which case definition of CFS do you fit, who diagnosed you, and how impaired were you on the Karnofsky scale?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Performance_status
     
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    One message? Come back here in 20 years and post your drivel.
     
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    Skippa Anti-BS

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    sarah darwins I told you I was ill

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    "So I would very much like, in addition to the basic work, to become a coach and teach Lightning Process for Russian-speaking and Spanish-speaking people. However, this will have to wait, because the training costs one million roubles [approx. £12,000 / $15,000] - approximately the amount I spent on the recovery, having lost all their savings."
     
  14. Snow Leopard

    Snow Leopard Hibernating

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    If this was an established member who had been here for some time before posting this (and had previously been talking about other treatments etc), I might take it seriously. But I'm highly skeptical of one-post-wonders.
     
  15. Kina

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    How is the whole field of neurology missing this wonder cure.? It could be used to create new neural connections in people with brain damage, people who have suffered strokes, etc.. I think the answer is obvious -- a psychological treatment can not result in creating new neural connections.

    What? Your comments seem to suggest that it is easier to retrain the brain if you are of low human intellect. I will say no more. Is this what they are teaching in the LP courses? Maybe this is why they have to weed out people via interviews? I will say no more.

    I don't much like seeing LP cure threads on Phoenix Rising. I find them useful though re: educating people why it is a bogus therapy.
     
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    Dear Polina,

    Glad for you recovery. How much does the LP treatment cost? I wonder if part of that earnings could be donated to Open Medicine Foundation (or to any other University or Association) for scientific research on ME/CFS and chronic Lyme. It would be great for those who are not motivated enough.
     
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  17. trishrhymes

    trishrhymes Senior Member

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    From what I've gathered (from reading accounts from 'survivors'), this so called therapy is done on carefully pre-selected people (they interview and only allow ones they want on the therapy). I'm guessing they filter out anyone savvy enough to see through the hype, and anyone with true long term ME, and anyone who might get bolshy if it doesn't work. (that cuts me out then).

    Then they bombard them for several days with positive thinking twaddle and tell them they must go on telling themselves they are well, and act well.

    One of the most sinister things is that participants are sworn to secrecy about what the process involves and told that it will stop working if they admit to any symptoms. They have to tell everyone they are better, however they feel or it will somehow stop working (go figure).

    Another sinister thing is that it's a pyramid selling scheme - one of the carrots held out to those who can maintain they 'recovered' is that they can train (at a large cost) as purveyors of this nonsense to others and make oodles of cash. It's a great money spinner for its inventor.

    Snake oil and brainwashing.

    Those who never had ME in the first place may feel better, but those with true ME will inevitably crash sooner or later, unless they go on listening to their bodies and resting when they need to, even if they manage to keep up the pretence that they are recovered for a while.
     
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  18. Snowdrop

    Snowdrop Rebel without a biscuit

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    @cheeky
    While this 'cure' seems to have worked for you it's seems you are rather insensitive to a great many people here who are desperate to get well. We are simply not drawn in to pseudo cures for this serious biomedical condition.

    It may be that you have misinformation as to what ME/cfs is. Resarechers in the UK for example have for decades conflated/confused the symptom chronic fatigue with the serious disease ME which they also call cfs.

    To understand ME see here: http://www.openmedicinefoundation.org/what-is-mecfs/

    along with the various biological findings: http://forums.phoenixrising.me/inde...c-features-of-chronic-fatigue-syndrome.46486/

    I'm sure you are excited to feel well again but this kind of sharing comes off as religious conviction rather than scientific fact.
     
  19. TiredSam

    TiredSam The wise nematode hibernates

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    Almost 100%? That sounds like the degree of belief necessary to ignore all the (lack of) evidence. Unwavering belief is a trait common in those peddling psychologically based cures for CFS. In fact it's a prerequisite, given the lack of evidence.

    You may think that expressing your degree of certainty as close to 100% makes it more persuasive, for me it just rings alarm bells.
     
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    Can we be sure this isn't a marketing post? Since LP is a licensed programme, this post is essentially promoting a commercial product. Should we allow this at all? Or should we allow it only if its a "genuine" story (not someone trying to sell the product) - and if so, how do we tell the two apart?

    I am concerned about the intense favourability of this report to LP (a similar tone to paid promotions). Also, the member mentions that they are intending to make money out of LP themselves in the future.

    What are the rules on this, @Kina?
     
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