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I am undergoing ozone therapy

Discussion in 'Alternative Therapies' started by gracie, Dec 8, 2009.

  1. Kiwi Jack

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    Has anyone hear of the Lahondy Protocol? I can't find any information on the web. A Dr told me he was at a conference recently in CA and they spoke of removing blood with some type of hemodialysis machine (my description not his), treating it with ozone, and then returning it. This enables most if not all the blood to be treated multiple times or multiple passes with each treatment. I think this is new new, and research was done in Germany, so it may not be common knowledge in NA. But curious if anyone has heard anything?
     
  2. leela

    leela Slow But Hopeful

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    Don't know the name of that specific protocol but do personally know a Lyme patient who is doing blood ozonation and she is doing much better.

    How are you doing with it?
     
  3. Kiwi Jack

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    I've not started yet, trying to gather information and find someone who practices it.
     
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    Hi Sushi,

    The Hydrogen Peroxide is a major oxident, meaning it will attack organic structure molecules and break them down. This is what happened to the artery and vein inner lining. So one solution is to go on a high anti-oxident repair program using:

    1- Vitamin C 2000 mg per day.
    2- Organic Copper mineral from Tamarind Fruit, boil the fruit using 2 liter water and 450 gram fruit and drink 1.5 qlasses daily. . Consume a total of 3 kg fruit over a two month period.
    3- Fresh lemon and orange juices daily.
    4- Natural vitamin-E from capsules. Find best source, prefer water soluble version for best absorption.

    The above are needed for repair of damaged tissue. Also, please look up the word " Collagen" in Google to study its structure and basic building blocks. Purchase it from natural, healthy sources, this is also needed to rebuild your veins.


    Abdulrahman
     
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    Sushi Senior Member Albuquerque

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    This happened years ago. I have done several of these things though some of them are not suitable for me. Thanks.
     
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    Anyone find a cheapish home cold plasma unit?
     
  7. Chelle

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    Can you message me the name of the clinic in Mexico? Thank you :)
     
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    My GP is starting this stuff. Or she did already. Very curious.
     
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    Has anyone shared this information on the clinic in Mexico or anywhere here in the states?
     
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    Hi
    Do you know if sodium citrate used during the therapy might be problematic for us? thanks.
     
  11. leela

    leela Slow But Hopeful

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    I have started both blood ozonation and IV hydrogen peroxide treatment. I like them both.
    The nurse where I do it said when people end up with H202 vein problems it's because they're doing the drip too fast--
    usually to get the person out of the chair faster.
     
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  12. Hip

    Hip Senior Member

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    I don't want to worry you unduly, but did you read @Sushi's account of how IV hydrogen peroxide may have damaged her arteries?
     
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    Sushi Senior Member Albuquerque

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    Veins, not arteries. But true, my veins suffered and this has made subsequent IV's and blood draws difficult.
     
  14. leela

    leela Slow But Hopeful

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    Thanks for your concern, @Hip, I had read Sushi's comment. I'm sorry that happened to you Soosh :(
    I know several people who have done IV H202 for Lyme without issue, and I trust my nurse who said vein issues arise from infusing too fast,
    which they defo don't do.
     
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    I just finished 10 days of ozone therapy. It was costly ($2000 for all 10). It was ultra violet with 50cc of blood removed then injected back in me. I do not feel it has done anything for me (rheumatoid, fibro, lyme and CFS since 1997). I do think I am more depressed but could be it is just me! Have been on antibiotics all this time.

    I was really hoping to get LDI or LDA. The pharmacy making it has decided to quit. I called Dr. Ty Vincent. Was told they only do people with infections now. What do they think these are popsicles? Then told Dr. Vincent would have to decide if I was a candidate and it would cost $600 for a 1 hour consultation!!!! I hung up crying.
     
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    Sushi Senior Member Albuquerque

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    The pharmacy making LDA decided not to make it anymore but another pharmacy is supplying it now. LDI is custom made for the patient and does not involve a commercial pharmacy.
    You were misinformed. I am a patient of Dr. Vincent and he sees patients with a wide variety of problems.
    You obviously spoke to someone who was either new to the office or didn't know enough to answer patient questions. I have never heard of Dr. Vincent refusing to treat a patient. His initial consultation fee is $600, but after that there is no fee for treatment other than the cost of supplying the antigens.
     
  17. Kiwi Jack

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    Dr Rowen in CA suggests abx for Lyme doesn't work and he only treats Lyme with ozone, and seems he does a lot of ozone with Lyme. But he uses a high dose method where they remove and infuse 200cc of blood up to 10x per treatment, so it truly is a high dose. But he charges a lot, something like $1,200 per 10 lap treatment, but don't quote me. This is what I did and it worked for me, but not everyone gets the same response. I flew to a clinic in Toronto and they only charged $800 per treatment and I did 1-2 treatments per week for 3 months. They suggested I had Lyme, but also other infections; viral, parasite, mould, yeast, and heavy metals. The ozone cleared away the pathogens and I gained a solid 50% in symptom relief, took away the chronic-ness, and cleared some symptoms completely. But ozone does not remove heavy metals, or so some say. Now I'm doing oral chelation for the mercury and lead, which I think may be my primary issues and these pathogens were opportunistic infections. I also have an ozone machine I use at home on a regular basis. I can do several treatments myself but not the high dose method at home. My humble opinion is the high dose method kick started the process for me. A lessor ozone therapy dose may produce the same result but take longer, or maybe, the super high dose is required initially. It may depend on how sick you are and how many pathogens you have. I've read at very high dose ozone is a stem cell stimulator but you only get that effect at high dose. Hope this helps. There's a closed Facebook group Ozone to Health, 3,700 members and lots of discussion on the topic.
     
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  18. Hip

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    Would you be able to quantify the degree of improvement you achieved from ozone a bit more? The severity level of ME/CFS or Lyme can be described on the scale of: mild, moderate and severe. For descriptions of these three levels, see this post.

    Where were you on this scale before you started ozone treatment, and where did you move up to after treatment?

    Any treatment that moves you up one level of this scale (for example, moving from severe to moderate, from moderate to mild, or from mild to cured), I consider a major improvement in ME/CFS.


    How long did your improvement fro ozone last, or did it become a permanent improvement?



    Can I ask, how are you administering ozone at home, and what type of ozone generator machine do you have?

    I was experimenting with my own method of applying ozone transdermally (by using ozonated water), which is detailed in this post. This method is very cheap: the only outlay is the initial £30 cost of an ozone generator; after that, the home ozone treatments cost you nothing.

    With my ozone method, I know that something is happening, because after I administer ozone transdermally, I find my nasal and sinus congestion/inflammation much improved, for a few days after.
     
  19. Kiwi Jack

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    I consider ozone helping in a major major way. It's the only thing that worked, and it's been almost a year and it's still going strong.

    I was at zero, unable to work, function, constant discomfort and pain, overwhelming life sucking exhaustion, cognitive and memory issues, emotional problems, joint and muscle pain, GI, bad sleep issues, it was chronic and never ending. Whenever I exerted myself, it got much worse. There was no joy, it was all pain, I couldn't exercise, I became sedentary, I was in my early 40s and it went on for 14 years.

    Before this I regularly worked 60-80 hr weeks and loved my job, and for fun on weekends I ran 50 to 100 km ultra marathons and participated in a very social and active physical lifestyle. I spent well over $100k, dozens of therapies and self experiments, dozens of tests and specialists, flew to clinics, traditional and non traditional methods. I was on high dose abx for a year and a half. Nothing moved me off my scale rating of zero, nothing helped.

    Ozone began changing symptoms in a week and I felt considerably better a month. It was a big and dramatic shift for me. From zero to 50% is huge when you're feeling zero for a long time. I was no longer chronic, symptoms appeared in bouts, some were gone completely, it wasn't a constant battle anymore, it all became manageable.

    But I've read it's not the same for everyone. I had no herx, nothing but positive progressive change. I purchased a promolife machine in the US and 100% oxygen tank and administered my own ozone at home between the high dose sessions at the clinic. You need a machine that requires 100% oxygen. Any ozone generator that uses ambient air does not work. I think mine cost $1,200 US with all the additional accessories. I make ozone water for drinking and enemas, rectal insufflations, ear insufflations, ozone sauna. Not everyone does this but I also do direct IVs where I slowly push 30 cc of ozone gas directly into a vein. I can not do the high dose method, that requires a special machine from Germany and it requires an operator. They cost approx $50k.

    From my perspective it's a no brainer. Ozone has a lot of overall health benefits along with the pathogen killing. If I was not sick at all I would use ozone for the preventive and pro-active health benefits. When I get a job, which I hope will be soon, I plan doing monthly high dose sessions, and eventually reduce that to once every 3-6 months. I'm sold.

    70% of all GPs in Germany apparently use ozone as their primary intervention, same with Cuba.

    Dr Frank Shallenberger is a good person to google. He's written a few books and has some well informed videos on youtube. I've not seen him mention this new high dose method. But I can't say enough about how it helped me. But apparently I was a severe and complicated case. I had multiple things going on simultaneously, and each would create overwhelming symptoms, so everything needed to be addressed or nothing would make me feel better. So for me I think the heavy metals are the final step.

    I hope this helps. I look forward one day to saying I'm 100%, and running again.
     
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  20. Hip

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    A $40 ozone generator machine that you buy on eBay is just as capable as making ozone.

    Ozone machines I had seen are specified by the amount of ozone gas they generate per hour. The cheap $40 ozone machines you buy on eBay typically pump out 400 milligrams of ozone per hour (400 mg/h). If you want lots of ozone, then there are machines on eBay for around $90 that will pump out 3500 mg/h (but this is a high amount, and I am not sure you need such a high output for medical purposes).

    Any idea how much ozone your machine pumps out per hour?

    It's possible that your machine produces purer ozone, since it uses a pure oxygen supply. Whereas air is 21% oxygen and the rest is mostly nitrogen, so these $40 machines which just use ordinary air will output a mixture of ozone, oxygen and nitrogen.

    However, if you are just using these cheap machines for the purpose of making ozonated water, the presence of oxygen and nitrogen with the ozone I don't think will make much difference, as far as I can see.



    I have not heard about that approach before. Is that safe? I always thought that injecting any gas into the veins was dangerous:


    This study on mice found that rectal administration of ozone water caused intestinal damage (microscopic colitis). So perhaps this method of administration should be used with caution.

    After I read that study, I decided that I would only apply ozone water transdermally on my skin (skin is less delicate that the mucous membranes of the intestines).



    When you say "zero", does that mean you were bedbound most of the time, only able to get up for a few hours a day? Because that's the situation with severe ME/CFS patients. Whereas in moderate ME/CFS, patients do not work, tend to be housebound, and may require a nap during the day, but are up and about (around the house at least), and not confined to bed.
     
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