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Hungry/starving for protein since getting sick?

Discussion in 'Gastrointestinal and Urinary' started by Ocean, May 14, 2012.

  1. Wayne

    Wayne Senior Member

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    Hi Ocean,

    I haven't read the responses here, but just wanted to mention that I felt protein-starved for many years. Eating protein foods left me feeling heavy and overburdened, so I tended to avoid eating them. A couple yeas ago, I discovered that raw goat milk kefir was much easier for me to eat and digest than any other high protein food I had tried. It has since become a staple in my diet, and I no longer feel protein starved. Good luck finding something that works well for you.

    Wayne
  2. hixxy

    hixxy Woof woof

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    For those of you with dietary glutamate intolerance, this might not be the way to go. Alpha ketoglutarate is readily converted to glutamate. If you've had a OAT or Amino Acid Analysis done in the past that has showed high alpha ketoglutarate this may also not be the way to go ?? In my case alpha ketoglutarate was through the roof on OAT while most other krebs intermediates were through the floor....
  3. Ocean

    Ocean Senior Member

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    Tania is that the same as high blood sugar, high blood glucose?
  4. Ocean

    Ocean Senior Member

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    I wish I was losing! :) No, but seriously, a few of the times that I did lose weight while sick it seemed to correlate to muscle loss. I will definitely look into that supplement, thank you.
  5. Ocean

    Ocean Senior Member

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    Any safety issues with the raw milk? It makes me a little nervous.
  6. Ocean

    Ocean Senior Member

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    I wonder if this might help me. I've been nervous to try something acidic since I have a hiatal hernia and read conflicting information on whether it is ok to take in that case. Do you happen to know anything about that? Is betaine HCL prescription?
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    taniaaust1 Senior Member

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    Some can have high blood sugar with this issue but not necessarily so. Its an abnormal body response to glucose or the body struggling to keep the sugar in check, so hence producing abnormally high insulin spikes to keep the sugar level in the normal range. (Its a stage which "can" happen before diabetes happens..

    high insulin can be the cause of "hypoglycemic attacks" too if you have any issues with those as it can drop the sugar too much.
    I have both hypogycemia on my blood tests and hyperinsulemia cause of all this.

    So no.. one dont necessarily have the high sugar showing with it but on the other hand some do. .. and more protein can make ones who have high insulin feel a bit better, due to helps to balance things a bit better.

    The only way to know if someone has an insulin problem is to have the insulin tested properly eg 2 hr glucose tollerence test (GTT) WITH Insulin levels included. (they wont test the insulin as well unless its requested)
  8. hixxy

    hixxy Woof woof

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    People drank raw milk for centuries. So do calves. Imo, If I could tolerate it, I'd drink it! Do some reading up on it.
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    taniaaust1 Senior Member

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    There is actually something which can be caught from raw milk. My CFS specialist had me tested for it cause I grew up drinking raw milk and was still drinking raw milk as an adult (im fine.. raw milk straight from a diary tastes great, if I could still get it like that, I'd be drinking it still)
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    taniaaust1 Senior Member

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    I just looked up my test results to find out what it was which my specialist tested me for due to the milk drinking..
    Its brucella you can catch from raw milk http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brucella

  11. November Girl

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    Ocean, It's not Rx, and can usually be found where other dietary supplements are sold. It's more or less the same thing as stomach acid. The theory behind this is that as we age, our stomachs naturally produce less acid, so the food takes longer to digest. Then, when we feel the burning this causes, we take antacids. They relieve the burning sensation, but actually contribute to the underlying cause. In my case, a few years on Prilosec and Prevacid made things much worse! I think that the several years of IBS is what contributed to my stomach discomfort in the first place.

    Is hiatal hernia the cause of acid reflux? For many of us, symptoms are lessened by eating smaller meals, and remaining somewhat upright after eating.

  12. L'engle

    L'engle moderate ME

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    I found some of my protein craving was actually a need for l-carnitine fumarate. Once I started taking it, I got much less of the 'I'm going to die if I don't eat meat" feeling. Since I've been off l-carnitine fumarate the last couple of weeks to try other supplements in isolation, that feeling has returned a bit. It is hard to get enough protein, even so. I used to take whey protein and may return to that. I'm pretty sure we need more protein than healthy people.
  13. hixxy

    hixxy Woof woof

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    Interesting. I guess naturally your body is going to try push you towards foods it can generate energy from. If you're unable to use carbohydrates and fats in the krebs cycle, it's going to push towards protein.
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    hurtingallthetimet Senior Member

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    its weird i got more cravings for sugars, candys, and breads...not a good craving imo
  15. hixxy

    hixxy Woof woof

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    Same for me unfortunately. If I ate a paleo diet, I'd honestly feel far worse, literally like I'm starting. The carbohydrates are also calming on my nervous system, while protein is the complete opposite.
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    Specific diets are silly. Its more important to cater the diet to the individual rather than the individual to a diet. I go well on protein, if i eat lots of raw foods, i have lots of raw pains in my stomach and have the worst time of it. Good ideas here.
    My issue with antivirals, antibiotics, antidepressants, probiotics and a host of naturopathic and homoeopathics is that they can be a bandaid solution. Getting the body working so that it can take care of those needs is more important to me. Thats why this methylation and balancing nutrients in the body seems to be a decent move.
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  17. hixxy

    hixxy Woof woof

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    Raw food for me == raw food down the toilet! :(
  18. Gavman

    Gavman Senior Member

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    Same. If you get diarrhoea/any kind of fast expulsion then = maybe not the right thing for you.
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  19. hixxy

    hixxy Woof woof

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    LOL You don't say!! :p
  20. Gavman

    Gavman Senior Member

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    But dude, vegan power is raw and it saves the animals. and makes me smell like a compost. Lol. nah i rate that approach for some people. And maybe if my stomach was good and i had willpower i'd work on it.

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