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Hundreds of teenage girls in Colombia struck by 'mass hysteria'

Discussion in 'Other Health News and Research' started by natasa778, Aug 29, 2014.

  1. natasa778

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    oh geez. the shrinks have GOT to go.
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    The manufacturer's representatives are cited as claiming that they have the scientific evidence behind them, and that the opposition is based on opinion and prejudice. Cluster outbreaks do need investigating. Some unspecified people have hinted at mass hysteria. I want to know in what way is this claim objectively different from a conspiracy theory? Not one outbreak of mass hysteria has ever been proven, they exist on the record due to definitional fiat, and make the psychogenic fallacy en masse.

    Yet to be fair there is no certainty this is due to vaccine issues. I would however like to add a caveat here. Vaccines and other chemicals may be relatively safe in average circumstances, but if some condition exists locally that modifies vaccine risk then the vaccine plus the other thing might be causal. This kind of problem is very very hard to work out.

    In no case should the vaccine manufacturer investigate this in a formal capacity, just as you would not have anti-vaccination proponents investigating this. We need independent investigation, as usual. I doubt that will happen. If it happens I doubt they will have the necessary resources or terms of reference.
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    Sounds like an outbreak of dysautonomia, not "mass hysteria", whatever that is. This reminds me of a recent case report I saw:

    http://hic.sagepub.com/content/2/1/2324709614527812.full
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    [satire]now that's a case for mass CBT
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    There is a difference between "anti-vaccination" and "pro-vaccine safety". It is not just semantics but a true difference in ideology.
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    well it is a conspiracy theory. the subconscious minds of the girls colluded in secret and decided to cause the same symptoms at the same time because of their inner conflicts and personal troubles

    now they need to send a parachute battallion of freudian psychoanalysts to deal with this effectively.
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    Those poor teenage girls.
    I feel for them and the abuse that's about to envelope them --all in the name of modern voodoo medical science.:rolleyes: :cry:
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    Ummm, did you really mean:

    "I feel for them and the abuse that's about to envelope them --all in the name of modern voodoo medical science."

    ? o_O ;):D
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    There are different camps in this debate, but I do take your point that many just want safety and are not anti-vaccine in principle.

    I am not happy with current vaccine technology either. I think we need vaccines, but I think the current technology, the delivery systems, are dangerously flawed. Non-adjuvant and non-preservative vaccines are likely in the future.

    We also need to get drug safety testing out of the hands of big pharma. Its a conflict of interest. They should pay an independent body to do the research, which gets paid regardless of outcome.

    Yet vaccines possibly save millions of people every year. Its not a question as to whether or not we need vaccines, its a question as to whether or not the current claims and technology meet acceptable standards. I, too, think they fail.
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    I did indeed.:D Actually makes more sense.
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  12. natasa778

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    But are you aware that this view automatically brands you as a lunatic anti-vaxxer!? (people have been burned for less) Protests are futile.
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    I am probably branded much worse things than that. By demanding evidence, reason and accountability on everything important I am probably on a bunch of %*$ lists. Most of the super smart people on this planet, the ones I look up to as role models, are considered mavericks, looneys, trouble makers and so on. One of those was Dr Barry Marshal, before he shared a Noble Prize for his lunatic theory about H. pylori.

    I have been branded a feminist, a Nazi, the Anti Christ, a bleeding heart liberal (probably, by inference), by implication a communist and for all I know even a terrorist, even though I am anti violence and believe in reason not violent opposition. Yet I stand for science, reason, integrity, evidence, humanity, capitalism, free speech, democracy, peace and justice. If you are against someone or something, you get vilified. Its a badge of honour.
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