1. Patients launch $1.27 million crowdfunding campaign for ME/CFS gut microbiome study.
    Check out the website, Facebook and Twitter. Join in donate and spread the word!
Join the National PR Campaign for ME: Power to the Patient (P2tP)
Have you had enough of all the neglect and abuse of ME/CFS patients? Gabby Klein says now is the time for a National PR Campaign for ME/CFS to impress a change. Join the Patient Revolution to restore power to ME patients ...
Discuss the article on the Forums.

How much Vitamin C do you take?

Discussion in 'General Treatment' started by Athene, Nov 15, 2011.

  1. Jenny

    Jenny Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,228
    Likes:
    184
    London
    Yep!

    Jenny
     
  2. u&iraok

    u&iraok Senior Member

    Messages:
    157
    Likes:
    31
    U.S.
    Maybe we could do a vitamin-c-to-bowel-tolerance session periodically and the rest of the time, take a near-RDA amount? Would that make sense?
     
  3. Lou

    Lou Senior Member

    Messages:
    498
    Likes:
    314
    southeast US
    Hi u&iraok,

    I think you ask a really good question, and hope Rich sees it and responds.
     
  4. richvank

    richvank Senior Member

    Messages:
    2,717
    Likes:
    757
    Hi, u&iraok.

    I think that would be an interesting experiment, and I don't know how it would come out. I guess I still think that lifting the partial block in the methylation cycle so that glutathione can come up to normal would be a better thing to do. Glutathione is the basis for the antioxidant enzyme system, and the thing that is holding it down in ME/CFS is the partial block in the methylation cycle. I believe that the results of our clinical study support that.

    Best regards,

    Rich
     
  5. aquariusgirl

    aquariusgirl Senior Member

    Messages:
    948
    Likes:
    91
    Lou. Susan Costen Owens, a researcher who has done some work around oxolates, thinks that high dose Vit C contributes to high oxolates, which holds down glutathione. Paraphrasing here!! May be something to look into.
     
  6. SJB944

    SJB944 Senior Member

    Messages:
    110
    Likes:
    48
    Ahhh damned if you do, damned if you don't. A very familiar issue when it comes to this illness!
     
  7. taniaaust1

    taniaaust1 Senior Member

    Messages:
    8,061
    Likes:
    5,043
    Sth Australia
    Rich. There is some people who have taken up to 50-55grams of vitamin C daily but not reached bowel tollerance. At what point do you believe it would be dangerous?

    Such large doses really concern me as we are talking about heaps over daily recommended amounts and far more then what has probably been studied. (and the risk of kidney stones with excess).

    ......

    http://www.sisterzeus.com/Hsp1shlp.htm there is also a site I cant think of where it is now, where females successfully share their abortion experiences with using vitamin C).
    I want all here to be aware of this possible danger whether that one is a myth or not, Ive seen enough online in the past of women using it to think it may not be just a myth.

    (the other info I shared on vitamin C was what i was taught in Nutrition classes at college).
    .........

    My own advice would be never to take anytihng just for the sake of taking it, let your own body tell you if taking extra of something is a good thing for you or not.

    Go by your own body and if something doesnt seem to be helping in anyway, probably best not taking it unless you know you have a deficiency of it or need it for some reason.
     
  8. Klmrav

    Klmrav

    Messages:
    36
    Likes:
    2
    NC
    I am seeing an alternative doc in addition to my me/cfs and lyme docs. The alt doc has me on buffered vita c powder to bowel tolerance. I can't deal with the belly discomfort to get a flush per se, but have been able to get in 6-10 grams of C a day. I also get a myers cocktail IV that has 25grams of C. I will try 50 next time. My only side effect is a headache, I think next time I'll follow with a liter of sodium chloride (don't seem to get a headache hen I get that). I also have chronic lyme and the C gave me quite a herx for a couple of weeks.

    The doc also has me on much higher doses of b12 than I'm used to. 20mg per cc of hydroxocabalamin from Wellness Pharmacy, 1/2cc 3xwk; 4 quercetin a day at 900mg each, and an alkaline diet (use ph test strips to test first morning urine). Having trouble with the diet...I'm still acidic.

    For the first time in years I was able to get a cold, fight it off and feel better than b4 the cold in seven days...can't remember the last time that happened.
     
  9. Lou

    Lou Senior Member

    Messages:
    498
    Likes:
    314
    southeast US
    Hi aquariusgirl, I will look into oxolates as it relates to vit c use. Many thanks.
     
  10. Lou

    Lou Senior Member

    Messages:
    498
    Likes:
    314
    southeast US


    Hi taniaaust1,

    Of the many helpful posts you make, I'm not entirely sure of this one. I did not say I took vit c 'just for the sake of taking it', there were credible studies, and people such as Dr. Linus Pauling, categorically stating it was a 'good thing' on various levels.

    If I'd listened to my body, a second --not to mention all those that followed-- round of chelation never would've happened.
    And not a peep from my body about certain supplements(vit e, for example), yet I take them. However, all that said, I take your point and thank you.
     
  11. richvank

    richvank Senior Member

    Messages:
    2,717
    Likes:
    757
    ***Hi, Tania.

    ***My responses are at the asterisks below:

    ***I agree that paying attention to your body's response is a good thing to do. However, sometimes this can be misleading. For example, people with ME/CFS appear to have accumulated pathogens and toxins while ill, because their immune system and detoxication system have been dysfunctional. When these are restored to more normal operation, there will likely be detox and die-off symptoms, but these processes are necessary to bring the person back to health.

    ***Best regards,

    ***Rich
     
  12. mellster

    mellster Marco

    Messages:
    800
    Likes:
    179
    San Francisco
    I love Vitamin C, but my bowel tolerance is usually reached within a few grams :)
     
  13. u&iraok

    u&iraok Senior Member

    Messages:
    157
    Likes:
    31
    U.S.
    When I have a cold I try to take C to bowel tolerance but stop at 30 grams though I haven't yet reached bowel tolerance. When the cold is almost gone I reach bowel tolerance at a much lower dose.

    I wonder if at 50-55 grams not reaching bowel tolerance means the precence of a virus or viruses?

    When I was seeing a Naturopath/Nutritionist I learned about the importance of not only increasing low levels of nutrients but balances and correct ratios of nutrients. You can throw those balances off by taking too much of something. A lot of people think that Vit C is just excreted when you take too much but that doesn't mean it can throw things off while it's in your system.
     
  14. Athene

    Athene Never give up

    Messages:
    1,130
    Likes:
    153
    Italy
    [/QUOTE] When I was seeing a Naturopath/Nutritionist I learned about the importance of not only increasing low levels of nutrients but balances and correct ratios of nutrients. You can throw those balances off by taking too much of something. A lot of people think that Vit C is just excreted when you take too much but that doesn't mean it can throw things off while it's in your system.[/QUOTE]

    That's a very good point.
     

See more popular forum discussions.

Share This Page