Discussion in 'General Treatment' started by Athene, Nov 15, 2011.
Maybe we could do a vitamin-c-to-bowel-tolerance session periodically and the rest of the time, take a near-RDA amount? Would that make sense?
I think you ask a really good question, and hope Rich sees it and responds.
I think that would be an interesting experiment, and I don't know how it would come out. I guess I still think that lifting the partial block in the methylation cycle so that glutathione can come up to normal would be a better thing to do. Glutathione is the basis for the antioxidant enzyme system, and the thing that is holding it down in ME/CFS is the partial block in the methylation cycle. I believe that the results of our clinical study support that.
Lou. Susan Costen Owens, a researcher who has done some work around oxolates, thinks that high dose Vit C contributes to high oxolates, which holds down glutathione. Paraphrasing here!! May be something to look into.
Ahhh damned if you do, damned if you don't. A very familiar issue when it comes to this illness!
Rich. There is some people who have taken up to 50-55grams of vitamin C daily but not reached bowel tollerance. At what point do you believe it would be dangerous?
Such large doses really concern me as we are talking about heaps over daily recommended amounts and far more then what has probably been studied. (and the risk of kidney stones with excess).
http://www.sisterzeus.com/Hsp1shlp.htm there is also a site I cant think of where it is now, where females successfully share their abortion experiences with using vitamin C).
I want all here to be aware of this possible danger whether that one is a myth or not, Ive seen enough online in the past of women using it to think it may not be just a myth.
(the other info I shared on vitamin C was what i was taught in Nutrition classes at college).
My own advice would be never to take anytihng just for the sake of taking it, let your own body tell you if taking extra of something is a good thing for you or not.
Go by your own body and if something doesnt seem to be helping in anyway, probably best not taking it unless you know you have a deficiency of it or need it for some reason.
I am seeing an alternative doc in addition to my me/cfs and lyme docs. The alt doc has me on buffered vita c powder to bowel tolerance. I can't deal with the belly discomfort to get a flush per se, but have been able to get in 6-10 grams of C a day. I also get a myers cocktail IV that has 25grams of C. I will try 50 next time. My only side effect is a headache, I think next time I'll follow with a liter of sodium chloride (don't seem to get a headache hen I get that). I also have chronic lyme and the C gave me quite a herx for a couple of weeks.
The doc also has me on much higher doses of b12 than I'm used to. 20mg per cc of hydroxocabalamin from Wellness Pharmacy, 1/2cc 3xwk; 4 quercetin a day at 900mg each, and an alkaline diet (use ph test strips to test first morning urine). Having trouble with the diet...I'm still acidic.
For the first time in years I was able to get a cold, fight it off and feel better than b4 the cold in seven days...can't remember the last time that happened.
Hi aquariusgirl, I will look into oxolates as it relates to vit c use. Many thanks.
Of the many helpful posts you make, I'm not entirely sure of this one. I did not say I took vit c 'just for the sake of taking it', there were credible studies, and people such as Dr. Linus Pauling, categorically stating it was a 'good thing' on various levels.
If I'd listened to my body, a second --not to mention all those that followed-- round of chelation never would've happened.
And not a peep from my body about certain supplements(vit e, for example), yet I take them. However, all that said, I take your point and thank you.
***My responses are at the asterisks below:
***I agree that paying attention to your body's response is a good thing to do. However, sometimes this can be misleading. For example, people with ME/CFS appear to have accumulated pathogens and toxins while ill, because their immune system and detoxication system have been dysfunctional. When these are restored to more normal operation, there will likely be detox and die-off symptoms, but these processes are necessary to bring the person back to health.
I love Vitamin C, but my bowel tolerance is usually reached within a few grams
When I have a cold I try to take C to bowel tolerance but stop at 30 grams though I haven't yet reached bowel tolerance. When the cold is almost gone I reach bowel tolerance at a much lower dose.
I wonder if at 50-55 grams not reaching bowel tolerance means the precence of a virus or viruses?
When I was seeing a Naturopath/Nutritionist I learned about the importance of not only increasing low levels of nutrients but balances and correct ratios of nutrients. You can throw those balances off by taking too much of something. A lot of people think that Vit C is just excreted when you take too much but that doesn't mean it can throw things off while it's in your system.
[/QUOTE] When I was seeing a Naturopath/Nutritionist I learned about the importance of not only increasing low levels of nutrients but balances and correct ratios of nutrients. You can throw those balances off by taking too much of something. A lot of people think that Vit C is just excreted when you take too much but that doesn't mean it can throw things off while it's in your system.[/QUOTE]
That's a very good point.
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