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How do you feel after you eat?

Discussion in 'Gastrointestinal and Urinary' started by Junto, Jan 2, 2013.

  1. Junto

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    Anyone feel like death after eating? Within 15-20mn after finishing a meal, I get MAJOR brain fog, fatigue, depression and sinus congestion. I almost certain that it's not due to a food allergen since I've experienced this after eating low-carb, high-carb, no gluten, no grains, no dairy, only meat, only veggie etc. I've also tried taking Betain/HCL with enzymes with meals, but I still get the crap symptoms. I also get bloating for a few hours after meals. This may go back to the whole leaky gut connection with CFS/Fibry...

    Does anyone else get similar symptoms after eating????

    Junto
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    I would often get bad feelings after a high-carb intake (and also was never really full, but felt bloated); like I had to lay down as if an overstuffed bear getting ready for hibernation. I did find that very-low carb and small quantities have helped a lot. For instance; a few bites of cheese, with some mustard greens, a few fresh mushrooms, a broccoli spear and a dab of virgin olive oil. I have been constantly amazed at how little food is needed to maintain good health. Now, if I look back at the Mcy D's super-size I used to enjoy it makes me want to puke.
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  3. ozikiwi

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    Yeah Junto I've also wondered if others experience post-meal symptoms.
    Doesn't matter what I eat or drink, I just feel SO exhausted straight after........bizarre!
    And like you, I get the very uncomfortable bloating a coupla hours later.
    Are these all normal/common CFS symptoms?
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  4. Sea

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    My OI is worse after meals. If I need to be up I'm better if I don't eat. Heart rate rises significantly and very fatigued after eating. Something to do with blood being pulled away from circulation and pooling in the abdomen as part of the digestive process
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    I don't follow any particular diet anymore, but one thing I continue to experience is that eating a meal leads to more of the 'fatigue' and so (perhaps stupidly) I tend to leave off eating breakfast as it is in the morning that I feel more able to function at least after an hour or so of 'waking up'.

    To some extent this is probably normal. I would suspect many (most) people feel 'tired' after eating, and I don't mean a heavy meal by any means. What I do find now though is that the size or content of the meal doesn't relate to the feeling of 'fatigue' and exacerbation of the perhaps 'fatigue-associated-brain-fog' that I experience.

    I am afraid that I try desperately to prolong this period of morning function by large amounts of caffeine. Then again I find coffee (good coffee) to be one of my few remaining pleasures. And I drank far more when working than I do now. If I do have breakfast I don't last as long doing anything that involves concentration or mobility (the latter doesn't last for as long a distance and requires more rest).

    None of this is proven of course except from my own experience. I think it is a bad habit I have picked up. First meal of the day is at Midday for me. Followed still by a rest and/or sleep if I can manage one. Then some activity before dinner at 7pm and then reading in bed until sleep...

    Not that I avoid food or am unable to eat of course but there's an apparent correlation with me too. In my case though I'd be willing to admit it's psychological - I rarely ate breakfast when working either :)
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    Yup. I always feel horrible about ten minutes after I've eaten. I can't eat at all until after midday or so as the claggy nausea is just too horrible. My mini-hypothesis on this is that while my body is using up what little energy it has dealing with food - it doesn't allow me to function in much else.
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  7. peggy-sue

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    It is because of reduced blood flow to the brain because of diversion of the blood to the digestive processes. It happens in well folk too and is called (officially) "the post-prandial dip".

    Edited to add:-
    It is a very, very common problem in M E.
    Obviously, folk with ME suffer the effects far more severely - because our systems are only barely functioning at any time, any reallocation of resources (eg. of blood for digestion) will have a horrible effect. There simply isn't enough oxygen-carrying and distribution potential left over.

    I really don't think it will be anything to do with leaky guts or allergies.
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    FunkOdyssey Senior Member

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    Look into Small Intestinal Bacterial Overgrowth (SIBO) in addition to leaky gut.
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    I feel very sleepy and fatigued after eating. I feel more energy when I don't eat.
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  10. Firestormm

    Firestormm Senior Member

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    Has anything ever been written to support the view that we might suffer this more than most? Thanks.
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    I've never heard a well person complain of poorer function after eating. Well people have enough energy to digest their food and function at the same time.

    If it were normal to be less functional after eating you wouldn't see tennis stars eating a banana or chocolate bar during a few minutes break
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  12. peggy-sue

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    If more folk paid attention to the post-prandial dip... we'd all be being sensible and having a siesta after lunch, as the Spanish do, and work would be far more efficient. :)
    tennis stars are not normal. :lol:
    Here's a wiki bit about normal post-prandial somnolence - a slightly advanced version of the normal dip.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postprandial_somnolence

    I haven't seen any particular academic references which state that we suffer more than most normals, I have read advice that large meals make us feel ill and should be avoided. I have found this to be true.

    But it's just simple physiology to work out that it will affect us more. Everything affects us more simply because we are only managing to hang onto running our bodies by the skin of our teeth... out troubles with temperature regulation are well known. Anything beyond lying passively is a strain - and for many unfortunate folk - even that is overworking their systems.
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    Junto~ You could consider going on a serious elimination diet. I know you think it's not due to food allergies/intolerance, but you don't have anything to lose by trying it.

    This book is helpful, and I think has the best elimination diet in it: http://www.amazon.com/Dealing-Food-Allergies-Practical-Detecting/dp/092352164X

    This book is also good, and while I think the first 2 stages of the elimination diet are good, I think his most strict elimination diet is a bit broad and includes potentially problem foods: http://www.amazon.com/Food-Allergie...&keywords=food allergies and food intolerance

    Best, Timaca
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    I always thought postprandial hypotension could be one of the factors exacerbating symptoms. Early on in my illness I also found that hot food proved to be a greater problem than cooked food that had been left to cool. However, this is not such an issue for me now.
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    I agree with Sea that one big cause of problems after eating may be Orthostatic Intolerance. I have more energy, and more ability to be up and around, when my stomach is empty. After I eat it's best if I lie back in the recliner with my feet up.

    Here's an extract from the Johns Hopkins patient handout on Orthostatic Intolerance:

    One medical term I've read for this problem is "splanchnic pooling":
    This may not be true for all ME/CFS patients but anyone who recognizes those triggers in the list above should probably investigate whether they are having problems with Orthostatic Intolerance.
  16. Firestormm

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    Very interesting. Thanks Ahimsa. I've saved the document to read later.
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    If you havent had one already.. anyone with this symptom should have a 2 hr glucose tollerence test (GTT) done with the insulin included. To rule out if this issue being caused by hyperinsulinemia (also called insulin resistance).

    Within 15-20 mins after a meal (or sometimes immediately). i used to go very lethargic and get other symptoms too. It turned out this was due to I was getting abnormally raised insulin (prediabetic state which will lead to diabetes). I personally thing that this is an even bigger issue if a person also has MCS (and hence then one can end up getting some quite severe symptoms to the abnormal insulin level).

    In my case.. a low carb diet which diabetics have...is FAR TOO HIGH in carbs and will be causing me many more symptoms.. things like carrots, corn, bananas, potatoes, pumpkin etc etc are all too high in carbs to include in my diet... skim milk can even cause issues for some with an insulin problem (the fats in milk help to balance out the carbs in the milk.. so my insulin specialist has me on full cream milk only when I have it). The diet my specialists have put me on.. onlhy allows me to have one small piece of fruit a day cause fructose is a carb too..

    People with bad insulin issues may need to eat meat (to help stop the insulin from spiking too fast) before other foods.

    My specialist for all this (I got to two different specialists in this) he told me last visit that its possible to have a big insulin spike without even eatting but rather just with the thought of food. This hormone can be released in some who have abnormal insulin levels by just "THINKING" about food. Even with over a year on an extremely low carb (far stricter then diabetic) diet.. my insulin levels are still going up 3 times higher then the normal blood level range.

    So anyway.. do get yourself ruled out for possible issues with insulin ... my specialist asked me if I got bloating and gas with it (in my case I dont) as its one of the most common symptoms which usually appear with it. (In my case it just gave me lethargy and made it harder to get out of bed in the mornings (my insulin would be high still from dinner the night before), more sore throats, mood swings and GERD).

    It may not be an issue just with low blood volume which many of us have and the digestive process during more blood to it.
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  18. Furball

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    I tend to sweat after a meal & get tired , I presume it's down to my body over working breaking stuff down .
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    Lots of people nap after eating. In Mexico its called a siesta. This is not properly investigated, but then again its not considered a medical issue. Its just life. I think its less common in younger fit people, and more common in older unfit people, but thats just an observation.

    I think some if it is insulin. Some of it is allergies and intolerances. Some of it is also diverted blood flow.

    I can get extreme tiredness and fog after eating. If I eat too many salicylates this will do it, and thats an intolerance. However I can eat high protein with almost no carbs or salicylates and have the issue, thats a blood flow problem I think. This response is a collection of overlapping responses in my opinion, it does not have a single cause in every patient. Some will have one cause, some another, and some will have all the causes working together.

    As for sweating after eating, the only thing that does that for me is vinegar.
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  20. Sea

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    While I agree that normal healthy people can observe some effects from the normal process of digestion I do not think that what I experience is anything like normal.

    It also seems to be common among people I talk to with autonomic dysfunction (OI, POTS, NMH) with or without the ME/CFS label.

    When I was well I never rescheduled eating or activity based on symptoms after eating. The midafternoon slump (which may or may not be related to lunch) is a well known phenomenon in healthy people, but I haven't heard anyone healthy who needs to change their lifestyle because of it.
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