I understand and agree with your points Justin. But this is a discussion forum, where I thought that issues were supposed to be discussed and explored, before arguments and cases were finalised. I don't believe for a minute that White's comment was casual, and if it was then he will probably withdraw it. What's important is the evidence in the paper, not a single comment of White's which he can withdraw at any time. If he sticks by his comments, and we can use them in our favour, then that will be great news. I look forward to him campaigning for NICE to separate ME from idiopathic fatigue and dodgy CFS definitions. I do believe that the issue separating ME and Chronic Fatigue is a very fundamental one, and it goes beyond just arguing the case with the Lancet, who aren't interested in what we have to say. It involves taking the case for change to the government and government bodies. There is a strong case to be made against the study and the authors, that they are endangering the health of ME patients by saying that CBT & GET are safe and effective, and it's a case that definitely needs to be made. I'm very grateful for the work that Hooper is doing, and Angela is doing on this.