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Homeopathy and other things.....

Discussion in 'Alternative Therapies' started by Chris Wick, Jun 28, 2012.

  1. Chris Wick

    Chris Wick

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    Hello all! This is Chris that has been helping Wayne out to hopefully get him clear of Lyme. This is a very interesting and controversial topic. I can only share my thoughts and experiences, I am not a doctor more of a research oriented person. As Wayne mentioned lyme almost killed me in 09, it had effected my brain function to the point I could not drive safely, to fatigued to work. All I could do was sleep and sweat! I was told by an LLMD that there was no cure for lyme, all one could accomplish is to take a protocol every 6 months or so and knock the lyme bacteria levels down again which would buy you 6 months of feeling OK. I did not like that prognosis! I researched every known treatment method and could not find a cure other than homeopathy. It only took four remedies over the course of a month and my lyme and coinfections were gone. This was verified by the spirostat PCR test. Since that time I have helped about 14 people get over it as well, some of the cures were even quicker and with fewer remedies. Because homeopathy works on an energetic or I would say quantum level the usual methods of evading eradication don't work, bio films, cystic colonies, etc. I am 100% convinced that ABX do not work unless of course they are taken very soon after being infected. One of the people I am helping spent an entire year with an IV port doing rotations of various ABX at a cost of about 100k, he came home just as bad off as when he left. He reports being 80-95% better now with homeopathy. He cuts, splits and delivers firewood for a living currently. One of the problems the ABX did cause was systemic candida which is very difficult to eradicate. If someone wants to blend the ABX treatment and homeopathy I think that is a good approach. Allimed (stabilized allicin) which can be purchased on Amazon is a very effective lyme ABX with one clear advantage, it also kills candida. Dipsacus or teasel, Green dragon herbs LB formula, silver hydrosol and lyme tick nosode 30c one dose daily and most people will kiss lyme goodbye. The nosode breaks up the symbiotic relationship that is established between lyme and the host immune system, the herbal ABX reduce the lyme levels and make the job of immune system eradication easier. It is good to follow up this with a classical homeopathic remedy or remedies to address the underlying constitutional defect. I could type for days regarding the miraculous cures I have seen firsthand with homeopathy.

    All the best,

    Chris
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  2. madietodd

    madietodd Senior Member

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    Hi, Chris. I've been following Wayne's Lyme journey since he started sharing it, and your contribution is fascinating.

    As far as I can tell, there is no reliable test for Lyme. It seems that a positive is positive, but a negative doesn't mean as much. I tested negative by western blot (one band short of positive) about 10 years ago, but I wonder....

    Is there a way to use a homeopathic remedy as a diagnostic? Take it and see if it makes me sick...or better? Even if a series of remedies had to be tried, it would be an interesting exploration.

    Welcome! I'm glad you're here.

    Madie
  3. Dreambirdie

    Dreambirdie work in progress

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    Hi Chris--

    Welcome to the forum.

    I am eager to hear more about how you work with chronic infections. I do not think I have Lyme, but I know I have a bunch of other pathogens. I have a very hard time getting over colds and flus. They linger on for weeks or months. Getting something to launch my immune system after them is what I am looking for. Any ideas you have about this would be appreciated.
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    Misfit Toy Senior Member

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    I knew a girl in Las Vegas who got well from homeopathy; she had lyme and was living in Philadelphia for treatment and not getting far. She did the homeopathy and is now well. She is now a natural doctor. It's unreal because I hung out with her for 3 months and she was so sick. Smells, chemicals, everything made her deathly sick. She is cured.
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  5. anne_likes_red

    anne_likes_red Senior Member

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    I had 11 years of frequent retinal and cerebral toxoplasmosis flare ups (including 7 hospital stays and numerous prescriptions for sulfa drugs, steroids and pyremethamine - nasty!) brought to a complete stop after my doctors decided it was worth trying homeopathic nosode treatment for toxoplasmosis. Treatment was overseen by doctors here and in the UK, at Moorefields. Treatment took 30 weeks....and included constitutionals and drainage (liver and lymph) support.

    No drugs since, ever. No hospital visits since. (Except as a "recovered patient" at an eye hospital in the UK.)

    Welcome to the forum Chris. I've been following Wayne's thread with interest...though I don't think I've actually posted in it. :)
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    Hi Chris

    I`ve had Lyme 12 years but was sick before then with mercury and pesticide poisoning. I did not get a diagnosis till 4 years ago - positive LLT. I have been using rife and Samento but have not stopped the progression, and now I am in a great deal of pain, early dementia and neurological problems. I have recently seen a dr who wants to put me on abx but I want to try homeopathy. I have to careful with herbs as I develop intolerance quickly and have to rotate.

    It is great to hear that you have done so well. Advice is very welcome.
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    SickOfSickness Senior Member

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    I tested negative for Lyme but an LLMD might say my numbers qualify for Lyme diagnosis. I am interested in anything that may help, if I can afford it, or later when I can afford it.
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    I don't have lyme, but I just wanted to give my input here. I have seen some miraculous recoveries for various diseases (including lyme) from homeopathy and encourage to give this a try. Homeopathy is what has given me functionality to my life again. I am still in treatment and plan on seeing more recovery.
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  9. Dreambirdie

    Dreambirdie work in progress

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    Homeopathy is so complicated to attempt on one's own... which I just did. YIKES!

    Wayne suggested a site to me, where it is possible to search for your own remedies: http://abchomeopathy.com/go.php So I gave it a shot and I got the results below. Reading over most of these, they don't really seem to fit.

    sulphur 47%
    lachesis 43%
    arsenic 37%
    nature muriaticum 37%
    sepia 30%
    lycopodium clavatum 30%
    hyoscymus niger 30%
    nux vomica 27%
    medirrhinum 30%
    mercurius vivus 30%
    thuja occidentalis 33%
    causticum 30%

    I was once prescribed arsenic, by a chiropractor who did homeopathy on the side. This was way back in the early 90s. He gave me a 1m, which caused a horribly strong reaction of intense anxiety and overstimulation. I couldn't handle it and neutralized it with some other remedy...camphor maybe? I never went back to him for more. He obviously had no clue about my level of sensitivity.

    I have been prescribed several other remedies as well, at different times by various practitioners: hypericum, phosphorous, sulphur, sepia--all of which were completely ineffective. A holistic MD once gave me aconite for a bout of ongoing digestive issues, which was minimally effective. And I remember taking ignatia back in the 1980s, which seemed to help a bit with the kind of symptoms I had back then. I don't know if it would work now though.

    The problem I have run into is that none of the remedies fit exactly with my particular profile, which I think is par for the course. Finding the one that works is like one of those needle in the haystack assignments. I would like to have a big magnet for that job! or else I won't be willing to do it.
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    I have never felt anything after taking homeopathic medcs. (I did not try nosodes for lyme).

    Is there also anything against bartonella, Chris?
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    I was really interested to find your story as I have had 4 bouts of retinal toxo in 5 years and don't take well to the steroids. I was first tested by kinesiology to see which strengths I needed ( all of them!)I have been prescribed a treatment of homeopathic nosode 4x 30c then 4 x200c then 4x 1m then 4x 10m over 2 months. then wait a month then I needed to do 200c again. Have been backed up by chinese herbs for liver, kidney and eye and also find that cranial ostopathy on the head and directly on the eyes has made a real difference in having a calm and even sense in my eyes again. I am still waiting to see what the result will be but fantastic that moorefields were up for trying something less mainstream. I am in wellington NZ and the eye specialists have no knowledge of this. Do you know if there is any work published
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    Asklipia Senior Member

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    I am very interested in this. Thank you for posting.
    Be well!
    Asklipia :)
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    Homeopathy is based on false belief that a substance that produces the same symptom as the disease itself will in small dosages cure the disease. This idea started out in 1796 back when humanity knew almost nothing about what causes diseases. We know so much more now, this has been proven completely false, please educate yourself about homeopathy, don't fall for this scam.

    On top of everything, homeopathic medicines today have such small dosages of the "active ingredient" that there is not a single molecule of it in what you are buying. It's just water, sugar or alcohol.
  14. Graeme

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    If I hadn’t experienced the effects of homeopathy firsthand I wouldn’t believe it either. The same goes for acupuncture, reiki, energy pendents, etc. I’ll also add that I haven’t been able to really benefit from any of these as my system is so intolerant, so I don’t think the placebo effect applies, but there is something there.

    Just because there’s currently no explanation for homeopathy doesn’t mean it's BS. The phenomenon of homeopathy is easy enough to prove. I know I could identify certain 30c dilutions against a placebo a hundred times in a row -perhaps I should contact James Randi and collect my million dollars. I could also do the same thing with EMF, identifying it to be present or not. And I’m not alone. Someone should really put this issue to rest once and for all. It might just open up a really interesting avenue in science.

    Luc Montagnier, nobel prize winning scientist, supports homeopathy. His study with DNA certainly suggests there’s something to the idea that water can be charged a certain way and be capable of passing on a signal. The following was taken from the Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luc_Montagnier


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    Personal anecdotes mean nothing.

    It is not true that there is no explanation for homeopathy. That would mean it works but we can't explain it. However, it has been PROVEN that it does NOT work.

    Since you seem keen to reffer to wikipedia, here is a quote from there: "Homeopathic remedies have been the subject of numerous clinical trials. Taken together, these trials showed at best no effect beyond placebo, at worst that homeopathy could be actively harmful.Although some trials produced positive results, systematic reviews revealed that this was because of chance, flawed research methods, and reporting bias. The proposed mechanisms for homeopathy are precluded by the laws of physics from having any effect."

    You get it? Laws of physcis don't allow it to be true, even if all those experiments haven't been done. And they have been done and shown that homeopathy has same effectivness as placebo.

    If any of you have money to spend on homeopathy, for all of our sakes, rather give it to real scientific research. MeAndYou is not even close to getting the 7 million NOK it needs. We all need.
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    I wouldn't say they mean nothing. Much of what I try for my health is based on anecdotes from people I trust with similar symptoms. However, scientifically, I agree, they don't amount to much. But they should serve to encourage scientists to conduct honest experiments into new fields. It's unfortunate that publishing a paper supporting homeopathy is virtually professional suicide.



    Some studies support it and some don't. Take your pick.

    As I've intimated, I believe there's a war on homeopathy from the medical/scientific establishment. I expect and appreciate their skepticism, that's what they're there for, but I don't think they've honestly tested homeopathy. And I think they're going about it in the wrong way. What I suggest should be done is test whether people can identify a high dilution from a placebo. I know I can. After this we can get past the idea that it's nothing but water. We can get to clinical significance later.

    If you really believe the scientific establishment is beyond reproach you might want to check out the following documentary:

    There are studies showing SSRI's to be no better than placebo, yet it's commonly believed they are and doctors write millions of prescriptions for these things every year. Personally I believe SSRI's can be helpful for depression, however you can pick and choose your studies to support or deny their efficacy. Can they both be right? And this issue isn't nearly as politically charged as that of homeopathy.

    Another example would be the war on Lyme disease. In my region doctors have been denying the existence of Borrelia for decades, all the while our vets have been diagnosing and treating our pets for it. So our pets can get it but we can’t?

    How can you explain the findings of the Luc Montagnier: "But even at 10−18, you can calculate that there is not a single molecule of DNA left. And yet we detect a signal."
    I guess you can choose to deny this study too.

    So if homeopathy is nothing but water, how can it be "actively harmful”? Sounds like someone has an agenda: "if we can’t convince you, we’ll scare you away from it."


    Isaac Newton's vision of physics held up for hundreds of years. Einstein built on this, correcting false assumptions along the way. Quantum physicists have continued to build on this as well. Do we understand all there is to quantum physics? Before we start denoting what the laws of physics "allow to be true" and what they don't we should probably make sure that we understand the laws of physics in their entirety.
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    No perhaps about it imo. Go for the million!
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    When using homeopathic preparations, avoid mint entirely: Mouthwash, toothpaste, mints, gum, essential oils, etc. It cancels out the effect of the homeopathic remedy, which may be why some of you have not had good luck with them.

    Occasionally I have a massage client on my table start asking me questions about my personal beliefs in health care. Sometimes it is someone who does not believe homeopathy is real at all, and then the conversation really starts. "The key always has to fit the lock." It doesn't matter if it is a new or old pharmaceutical drug, or an herb, or a homeopathic remedy, or energy medicine, or anything else. If it is what is needed to regain balance, it will work. If it is not the answer, it may do nothing, or may upset the balance further.

    It is now possible to measure and photograph the electromagnetic fields around the human body. That was unknown just a few short years ago. People still laugh at the whole idea of auras, but there they are... It's just a matter of time before there are sound explanations and illustrations for how and why homeopathy works that can be accepted by the mainstream.
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    Another common mistake with using homeopathy is the expectation that any given remedy is "for" something specific, and therefore limited. This comes from the reductionism mentality in the current medical system, where a drug is developed "for" something and marketed in that way only. Interesting that later on, "off-label" uses are "discovered."

    When I was abruptly dumped out of my second husband's life over this illness, I spent months in emotional shock and grief. I consumed two or three bottles of Pulsatilla over that time period, doing my best to not break down in tears at work. Pulsatilla helped balance the underlying emotions very well. It was a total surprise to me to finally read the label indication on other brands: "Colds with runny nose."

    From an energy medicine viewpoint, a whole-body viewpoint, that is interesting indeed.
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    The best results I have received from Homeopathy have been with my Animals. Including ones that have been written off as hopeless cases by allopathic Vets and one kitten who a Vet wanted to remove an eye and also would probably not survive the operation - but we had to try...

    Try I did. I ignored the advice, went to the best Homeopathic Vet in the country, and kitten is now a fully healthy Cat with two purrfect eyes!

    My Homeopathic Vet specialises in cases that have been through the drug mill and chucked on the scrap heap - and so on top of an illness, they also deal with drug damage. Its amazing they get any positive results let alone 90% improvements in their patients.

    I especially like those Allopathic Medics who have spent a big proportion as Doctors or Vets and then learn new and better ways and become holistic.

    With 85% of Allopathic medicine having NO SCIENTIFIC evidence to support it (from the BMJ itself)...

    I get slightly disgruntled at the constant attacks The Homeopathic Community receives.

    I welcome healthy skepticism and enquiry, but this is not what this is.

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