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Histamine Elimination Diet

Discussion in 'Mast Cell Disorders/Mastocytosis' started by Xhale19991, Mar 21, 2014.

  1. Xhale19991

    Xhale19991

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    I am looking to start a very strict histamine elimination diet to see if it can help me. I want to eliminate as much histamine as possible. Looking online I find much of the info to be very conflicting. As of right now I am planning on eating fresh steak and chicken, with rice, and the tolerated veggies for every meal. Do this for a week or two, see how I feel, and then begin to slowly reintroduce foods.

    Does this sound like a good plan or would you recommend I use other foods for the first 2 weeks of the elimination phase?
     
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    camas Senior Member

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    I'm not sure. Are you also trying to eliminate foods to which you might also be allergic? If not, I'd just follow a basic low histamine diet for awhile and see how I felt. I've been following the diet in my signature for about a year now. My improvement was slow and cumulative, but I could tell within a few weeks that I was feeling better.

    If you are trying to figure out food allergens too, I can recommend an UltraClear fast. It's a medical food that is rice based and with it they send a booklet on how to slowly start reintroducing foods. Unfortunately it's a bit pricey, but it did help me pinpoint my diary and soy allergies.
     
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    Hi @Xhale19991 ,

    If you want to check if you are sensitive to histamins and biogene amines you can also buy the supplement DAO enzyme and take this 15 minutes before meals.

    If you have had reactions to food high in histamine before, and don´t get problems after taking the DAO enzyme you have the answer.
     
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    You can try a supplement called Neuro potek, this will stop the allergy response of the body and is mainly used for cell mast activation disorder, however is just as useful for this.. This will stop both the H1 and H2 receptor for allergy response and make things all around easier for you.. It is a highly recommended and well known product here as well.. Just too damn expensive :/

    Here is some info on histamine diets too.. Helen also gave a great suggestion!

    The other thing to do is just avoid obvious offenders like gluten, all forms of wheat, processed sugar, vegetable seed oils, lactose containing dairy, and eggs if you think casein can be an issue.


    Just out of curiosity did you ever try Dr. Shoemakers protocol for Myco toxins? I know you talked about a moldy environment before. If that is an issue that protocol can clear that crap out in as soon as two weeks, stating of course you are not currently re exposing yourself.

    Also how is the methylation protocol helping you so far?
     
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    Reducing histamine intolerance needs a multifactorial approach.

    Reduce foods high in histamine
    Avoid foods that trigger mast cell degranulation
    Avoid probiotics that increase histamine
    Avoid fermented food and supplements
    Avoid stress triggers
    Avoid supplements / vitamins that increase histamine and trigger mast cell degranulation
    Add supplements like low dose vitamin C (around 500mg), quercetin, mangosteen etc. that either stop a histamine
    reaction or have positive effects on mast cells.
    Add neutral probiotics and probiotics that crowd out the offenders

    About your diet choices, too much meat like steak may cause problems, histidine -> histamine. Just try out a few things and keep at it for at least 4 weeks, n=1
     
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    Helen, are you referring to "Histame" here or something else? Daosin, D-Hist, Histamine Block, HistDao...

    Found here: http://www.amazon.com/Xymogen-HistDAO/dp/B009SE72Y6/ref=sr_1_6?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1396032967&sr=1-6&keywords=dao+enzyme

    If anyone has experience with any of these please chime in...
     
  7. lnester7

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    Here is the tricky thing, if you have food allergies (Like I discovered) then any try on food will be faulty, the more I tried it got worse for me (since I was migrating to most of the food that I was allergic too). So not only do you have to eliminate the allergy foods, raise histamine ones and the ones u are sensitive to. I am allergic to beef, Celery, most nuts, Rice, wheat, banana, green beans......... Chocolate, coffee :)nervous:)

    I never got gut symptoms except inflammation and joint pain. At the exception of banana that I figured gave me allergies (sneezing and runny nose next day) and celery gave me diarrhea.
     
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  9. Xhale19991

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    Thanks for your help guys. I bought the redwine headache cookbook and will be doing the vegetarian diet she suggest for a month. If it helps I will continue.

    I also bought zyrtec and zantac. Was wondering if it mattered when I took these and what doses you'd recommend. Do they need to be taken at separate times during the day?
     
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    Zyrtec affected my sleep, be on the alert for that. I took it in the AM
     
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    NO! It is pricey, and it is a medical food, but it's the wrong thing in this case. The MetaGenics UltraClear (peach flavor) that was sold to me included acetylcysteine, which is contraindicated by histamine intolerance. If you have HI and use this (like I did) you may get really sick! Fortunately, it only took about 3 days to get better.
     
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    D-Hist also has N-acetyl-cysteine, which is contraindicated for HI
     
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    jason30 Senior Member

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    Rosemarinic acid plus butterbur extract helps also.
     
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    I've been researching low-histamine diets and I'm finding so much conflicting information.

    Some interesting blog posts:

    https://mastcellblog.wordpress.com/2013/07/21/histaminediets/

    http://alisonvickery.com.au/histamine-intolerance-which-food-list-should-you-use/

    https://healinghistamine.com/histamine-in-food-lists/

    In the end, I'm left with so many questions....

    So I wanted to ask the rest of you about:

    - coffee - what have you read and what are your experiences

    - cacao - what have you read and what are your experiences

    - chick peas in a tetra package - what have you read and what are your experiences

    Grateful for hellp!
     

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