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High Dose Vitamin C IV

Discussion in 'Alternative Therapies' started by ChrisD, May 22, 2017.

  1. ChrisD

    ChrisD Senior Member

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    Through lack of national health service support or functional treatment for CFS, I have become a bit of a 'Biohacker', trying many things to improve my health. Most recently I have been using High doses of Vitamin C orally to greatly improve my condition, I presume it is calming inflammation around the body and brain and generally it cuts through malaise and can have me feeling fairly normal for atleast an afternoon. But the quantity to do this is around 40-50g (40-50 homemade capsules!), it's not overly expensive but time consuming putting these together and slightly radical as despite there being no ill effects other than diarrhoea if not timed properly, I do have a slight concern that there could be a negative effect of all this.

    Anyhow, since I crave the feeling of High dose C almost like an addiction, I have been looking into the costs of getting a high dose IV as many leading health professionals and rogue alt-health doctors discuss. I just wonder if it could be the big positive shock to the immune system that would flick a switch back into normal immune function. Has anyone tried this or does anyone have any thoughts?
     
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    pamojja Senior Member

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    Just take it by the teaspoon in water and sprinkle with a bid of bicarbonate, as Pauling did.

    I would love to have access to professional IVs, but am still hesitant to become a junky in my old days:
    http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/pdfs/civprep.pdf
     
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    @pamojja - you said on an earlier post that you took 20 grams of ascorbic acid and your body stayed alkaline. However, here you're recommending adding a bit of bicarbonate to the ascorbic acid. So I'm wondering if you added bicarbonate to your 20 grams of ascorbic acid - if so, that could explain how you stayed so alkaline - just curious.

    Also, it's a great tip. :thumbsup: I purchased some sodium ascorbate, more expensive than ascorbic acid, and didn't realize you could just add some bicarbonate to ascorbic acid to get the same effect.
     
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    @ChrisD - I've been wondering the same thing myself re high-dose vitamin C and IV vitamin C. Here are a couple of links which state that vitamin C helps with gluatamate neurotoxicity, and that can be very calming. I've been taking high doses of vitamin C in an attempt to calm my poor brain down after a slow taper off of low-dose but long-term lorazepam.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25701025
    http://web.stanford.edu/group/hopes/cgi-bin/hopes_test/vitamin-c/

    I've also wondered about the effect of high-dose vitamin C on the various viruses associated with ME/CFS (HHV-6, EBV, etc.)

    I did take a lot of vitamin C (ascorbic acid) for a couple of days (1 to 2 grams every hour or two), it helped with sleep but I ended up very acidic: achy and tired. So then I started looking into sodium ascorbate which is basically what pamojja is talking about above. So if you do try quite high doses of ascorbic acid, I would probably try it in the form of sodium ascorbate; or, if you do use plain ascorbic acid, watch for signs of acidity. I went by symptoms and the Ph paper.
     
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    A little bid unlikely, used different amounts of potassium and sodium bicarbonate, but in average only 1.3 g/d. That much bicarbonate mixed with ascorbic acid would give about double that in non-acidic ascobate. Took an other 2 g/d as all-ready made ascorbates, witch would divide my total Vitamin C intake into about 19 g of acidic ascorbic acid and a bid more than 3 g as non-acidic ascorbates.

    By the way, potassium ascorbate created this way is also itself an interesting compound again..


    Wait a minute, could you maybe have heavy metal issues? Worth watching:



     
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    @ChrisD, I do take around 10 to 12g ascorbic acid myself orally (in water, as pamojja suggests), and know that I should really get back up to 50g... but it would need a coordinated effort on my part to schedule the doses throughout the day, and I'm too distracted by other stuff at the moment to do it.

    If you do go with the IV, I'd be interested to hear the results! My suspicion is that, while is might not switch the immune system back to it's proper function, it might make you feel even a bit better than you now do on 50g orally. But who knows, maybe it will work?

    By the way, in your 'biohacking', as you put it, have you found anything else anywhere near as useful as the Vitamin C?
     
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    Have you looked into making liposomal vitamin C with an ultrasonic jewelry cleaner? I came across this years ago, it's supposedly a way to transform the vitamin C into a form that can be absorbed at higher doses (similar to IV). If you do some searching, there are a variety of websites with information and directions. I've never tried it myself.
     
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    @pamojja - for potassium ascorbate, would you just sprinkle potassium into ascorbic acid? I take a lot potassium so this very interesting to me.

    Re heavy metals: I don't think that was an issue for me for a couple of reasons. I've had a detox reaction many times (I think primarily mercury) in past years and know very well what it feels like, and this wasn't that. I've also pretty much stopped having detox reactions since I started taking glycine, inositol and glutamine a few years ago.

    And again, the Ph paper showed I was very acidic after taking all the ascorbic acid. This coincided with my feelings of achiness and fatigue, which are symptoms of acidosis. And the achiness and fatigue went away when I raised my Ph and used sodium ascorbate.
     
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    I made liposomal vitamin C using the jewelry cleaner a few years ago, and it tasted horrible. I can eat almost anything but this was like burnt rubber. It was very hard to get down. However, I then came across a description of making it using an immersion blender. It was much simpler and much quicker to make, and still was a very good product. It tasted very sour of course but that was no problem. Here's a thread I did on this with links to making your own, and how to determine if it is truly liposomal: http://forums.phoenixrising.me/index.php?threads/easy-to-make-liposomal-vitamin-c-for-viruses.38867/
     
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    Some more basics explained, for all who wondered:

     
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    I'm not a chemist or anything, so I could be totally wrong here, but, regarding the acidity of Vitamin C, I wouldn't really worry about it... your own stomach acid is far, far more acidic than ascorbic acid, and your body easily deals with that three times per day (well, if your liver is working correctly, it deals with it easily enough). 50 grams of Vitamin C is not going to acidify your body or anything.

    The only thing I have heard is that taking large doses for a long period of time can wear on the tooth enamel, so it's best not to swish it around in the mouth. I usually take my ascorbic acid shortly before meals, and that is said to neutralize it's effect on the teeth.
     
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    By age 30 I had only 12 teeth left, because of a injected tetracycline treatment as newborn, which they don't do anymore up to 2 years of age because of causing this issue to tooth-development. 20 years later, 8 of which with ascorbic acid along with comprehensive supplementation, all my left 12 teeth are as they were 20 years ago.

    PS: with the exception of my first root-canal treatment 10 years ago, where short after all my serious health difficulties started, an me therefore with supplementation..
     
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    Well, there you have it, then...
     
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    I've considered vitamin IV's but as I tend to pee out saline within 30 minutes of it being put in me, I'd imagine the same would happen to the vitamins. And as they are pretty costly the phrase 'expensive urine' comes to mind!

    I've seen vitamin C injections for sale online. Have you considered those?
     
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    They are very inexpensive to make oneself. See link in post no. 2. Also some commercial products prepare it the wrong way.
     
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    I am really interested to understand what is actually happening when I take high doses of Vitamin C (40g a day), and going from stiff, fatigued and heavy in the morning to energised, restless and feeling balanced (Not dizzy like usual). Equally after exertion, not experiencing the usual PEM. Is it that it is working on an Antiviral level?, Antibiotic? Anti-inflammatory? Disrupting Glutamate production? Or all of these and more?
     
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    Guess so. From a textbook:

     
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    Regarding Ph acidity, I've often wondered when I take Emergen C that it may be the cause of me Feeling worse not better. I tend to be too acidic anyway, and it seems to correlate to fatigue and harder time controlling my yeast overgrowth, so I stopped taking it. It also has b6 in it and my lab tests recently showed high b6 so the neurologist told me to stop taking any b6 supplements as it could be making my neuropathy worse. So adding bicarbonate of soda reduces acidity?!
     
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    My doctor treats her cancer patients with high dosage intravenous vitamin C and blood irradiation therapy, after several months they are cancer free.

    And vitamin C is safe. According to Paul Jaminet 120 g/days for cancer patients have been well tolerated. John Brisson describes the safety of vitamin C regarding probiotic bacteria and acidity:

     
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