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HGRVs - Constructive general discussion - for exploring HGRV research

Discussion in 'XMRV Research and Replication Studies' started by Bob, Oct 25, 2011.

  1. RustyJ

    RustyJ Contaminated Cell Line 'RustyJ'

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    Secondary virus/trigger may have caused outbreak - caused amplification of retrovirus.
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    The only treatments I know of for those are medicines masking the symptoms, or downregulating the immune dysfuction rather than going to the cause. I really do think (emphasis on think) that the cause for both of them are endogenous retroviruses.

    Excellent question Daffodil. The cluster ourbreaks seen are explained with several factors. One being viruses and other triggers such as RustyJ mentioned, and the other cofactor being genetic predisposition working together. Vaccine, EBV, giardia, severe stress - all of those are examples which can bring about the latent endogenous RV. I have actually problems explaining how a exogenous retrovirus fits into the theory. Several questions comes to mind, one being how could a exogenous virus be triggered in such large numbers by immune suppressing events such as those mentioned (the only way would be if a exogenous RV lies latent in the body). The other question is how is it transmitted. And why are there so many more who's got it in Western countries than in Asia? The asians get it when they come to the west. My answer is that it's endogenous, and that the reason why we get it in the Western world and not in such a large extent in other places is that for the endogenous RV to get high prevalence, one needs triggers, but one also needs a change in the gut flora which shifts the immune system the wrong way, lending a hand to viruses wanting to establish themselves. Read more here:

    http://forums.phoenixrising.me/showthread.php?14251-Gut-Bacteria-Lend-a-Molecular-Hand-to-Viruses
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    Very interesting thoughts here - thanks everyone.
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    The HERV-W insanity virus article even goes on to give a very credible expenation as to why the monoclonal antibody Tysabri works on MS patients (which it does).

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    Hi, new information has come to light that might revive the controversy, although I have not checked the background of the details yet so cannot be sure of its full import. I cannot say more as it is not public yet, but I expect it to go public within a day. Stand by. Bye, Alex
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    leela Slow But Hopeful

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    Standing by, Alex ;)
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    Is it from Dr. Cheney Alex?

    Changing status of XMRV / HGRV research

    December 5th, 2011, published in Public Relations


    http://www.cheneyclinic.com/changing-status-of-xmrv-hgrv-research-2/843
  9. Bob

    Bob

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    Was the following info reported at the time of the Ottawa conference, or since the conference? (I don't remember reading it before):

    And I thought that Hemispherx had now given up on their XMRV research, and were focusing on their genetic studies? Why would this be the case if they were getting positive XMRV results?

    Questions! Questions! Questions!
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    Hi Shannah, yes, the same, its just gone public too on co-cure. Thanks for the link though. Bye, Alex

    ps Yes Bob, so many questions. Is it the same virus? While mouse contamination can be ruled out apparently, XMRV itself is an easily spread contaminant - but its still very tantalizing.
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    redo..CFS is not more prevalent in western countries. japan has the highest incidence.

    if its endogenous, why would clusters of people be similarly genetically predisposed?

    dr. suhadolnik at temple university used to take a drop of CFS blood and drop it into some healthy blood...he would watch the disease spread to the healthy blood. i have spoken to him myself several times.

    i was really hoping lipkin would come up with a new virus...now that roche thinks its xmrv, and i am on the drugs that supposedly inhibit the virus and i am still gravely ill, what will i do now? ughhh
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    its a family of xenotropic and polytopic retroviruses, no virus has one strain....this is only the start of the Human Gamma retrovirus story.

    start planning what your going to do when there is treatment.

    Lipkin will soon be starting his studys.

    lots more to come.
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    Bob

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    Does anyone have any more info about the Hemispherx news?
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    villagelife...thank you for an upbeat, hopeful message:) the day to day is so hard..its like an eternity when you feel so bad
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    Yeah and its been reported that years and years ago they injected CFS patient blood from one of the outbreaks into monkeys and they got CFS. So clearly there is some transmissible agent here. They just need to find it. Of course right now it seems people are more interested in trashing each other in the media and suing each other than helping us sick people.
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    Hi acer2000, yes it goes back to 1955 where here in Australia monkeys were injected with blood from ME patients and they got ME characteristic brain damage as a result. Bye, Alex
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    why dont they just come out and say that we should just drop dead, instead of pretending to care, pretending to study our problems. all i see are articles, articles and more articles...and NO ACTION. i am SO FUKING SICK OF IT.
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    maryb iherb code TAK122

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    And you have more reason than most to be SFSOI - we're all rooting for you, lets hope something positive comes out soon to give you and us all some hope.
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    alex3619 Senior Member

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    Euthanasia By Stealth

    I have had a blog on the todo list for a long time. Its about euthanasia by stealth, which seems to be the policy for ME.

    Take a whole lot of really sick people who they can't treat. Thats expensive, and its damning for the medical profession, and potentially damning for politicians. It means medical bills, social support, and demand for research dollars.

    Instead take a policy of non-research, and no research funds. Deny medical support and testing. Deny insurance. Deny social benefits. People this sick are likely to die without any support, and dead people are not visible problems and don't demand resources.

    So instead of facing the issue, getting the research done, they have opted for clandestine euthanasia, putting as many of us as possible into a position where we die or are too sick and unsupported to cause problems. Problem solved, cash saved, but the real issues are just swept under the rug. In time the dust pile under that rug will be so big everyone is going to trip on it. When they pull back the rug and see a century of dust under it, I think questions will be asked.

    Bye
    Alex

    ps This is not to say there is a conspiracy to do this, its about the policy having this effect, whether intended or not.
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