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Healthy oil?

Discussion in 'General Treatment' started by Rockt, May 6, 2010.

  1. Anne

    Anne

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    Thanks peggy-sue - a (perhaps stupid) follow-up question: what is pharmaceutical grade? (I'm not in the US and English is not my first language...) What does this mean?
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    SickOfSickness Senior Member

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    Cold-pressed extra virgin coconut, macadamia nut, avocado, and olive oils. Organic if you can afford. And eating those foods.
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    I have read that it depends on the purification method, but I have not confirmed this. Typically you can tell by concentration of active ingredients. Most fish oil is only about 30% pure. This means it is 70% other stuff. Apparently the purification process that leads to 60% pure removes heavy metals. Its a more sure choice. Pharmaceutical grade is 90% pure, and typically what is used in clinical trials. It can be hard to get and is expensive, but its definitely the best quality.
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    Fish oil is important to us too for a variety of reasons. In part though we need to take care of oxidative stress for them to be effective. Ratios are very important as has been discussed. Its the balance of eicosanoids synthesized that determine effect. I am currently exploring the notion that both too much and too little series 2 eicosanoid activity drives many symptoms. This was first proposed in the late 1980s I think, but not published till the mid 90s.
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  5. peggy-sue

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    Anne, "pharmaceutical grade" means purified to the extent it could be used as a control substance in scientific experiments.
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  7. peggy-sue

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    What is Ray Peat's agenda? Does he have one? Does he state it?
    He says he's a nutritionist (and an artist) on top of his PhD in Physiology.
    I'm never too sure about "nutritionists" - they're generally trying to sell something overpriced too - and they don't yet seem to have caught up with the danger of fructose, which is by far the most important thing which should be emiminated from all diets - along with hydrogenated oils.
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    brenda Senior Member

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    I am sure he doesn`t sell anything.
  9. adreno

    adreno 3% neanderthal

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    Yes, there is a third party. Take a look at this, and only buy 5 star oils:

    The International Fish Oil Standards Program

    For cooking, use coconut oil or butter, if tolerated.

    As for Ray Peat, I wouldn't listen to anything that man has to say. His views are in opposition of an enormous amount of evidence. The two most important fatty acids in the brain are DHA and arachidonic acid. Go figure.
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    brenda Senior Member

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    He quotes plenty of studies which are independent of agricultu ral industry influence who want fast growth from aminal feeds. Since taking his advice over cutting PUFA my immune system has improved. Even though I have added plenty of saturated fat my weight is going down.
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    adreno 3% neanderthal

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    There are good PUFAs and bad PUFAs. You can't lump them all together. Anyway, you feeling better without PUFAs is not evidence of anything. There are tons of studies showing that omega-3s - in the right amounts - are healthy and essential.
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    brenda Senior Member

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    Yes and plenty of studies saying the opposite.
  13. adreno

    adreno 3% neanderthal

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    By all means, listen to Ray Peat, instead of doing some research by yourself. After all, he is a "nutritionist":
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutritionist
  14. brenda

    brenda Senior Member

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    I did follow the advice related to the studies you are on about till now.
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    adreno 3% neanderthal

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  16. peggy-sue

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    My personal (therefore subjective and anecdotal) experience is that a high dose of pharmaceutical grade EPA (from anchovies) plus EPO daily (total of 4 g) does wonders for my functioning - both mentally and physically.

    DHA causes me severe deterioration in mental and physical functioning.

    I'd been taking the EPA/EPO combination for about 7 years, but I ran out, and used a propritory pharmaceutical grade stuff from Boots :)mad:) which contained DHA as well as EPA for a couple of months, while waiting to save up for a new batch of the good stuff.

    I went downhill rapidly, in all areas, in that 2 months.

    I got the correct stuff and was vastly improved again within about a week.
    I was really, really surprised I improved again so quickly. It is supposed to take about 3 months before you see any improvement, from starting.

    I can only assume I hadn't become completely devoid of the stuff - or that my body just likes it so much it just grabbed it all with glee! :love:

    EPA (and EPO) really, really helps me. I have all the evidence I need to be absolutely positive about this.

    Some research my be required to ascertain what i'm going to say here - but I'm positive it's EPA used in cell membranes, NOT DHA!
  17. Anne

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    Thanks! Which supplements contain this? Which brand have you been using?

    Or is there a PR policy of not mentioning brand names on the Forum? If so, any chance those of you who have identified properly purified EPA supplements could send me a message? Would really appreciate it.

    Same question here: I'm so brain fogged right now - any chance you have brand names which are 5 star?
  18. peggy-sue

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    I use the brand made by Igennus in the UK.
    (easily googled)
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    adreno 3% neanderthal

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  20. peggy-sue

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    My "plug-ins" (whatever they are) won't "support" me looking at the details on that site Adreno.
    Are there any which are EPA without DHA?
    I suppose the cost, locally would be the deciding factor with whatever brand.

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