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Healthy food makes me worse...?

Discussion in 'Gastrointestinal and Urinary' started by MartinDH, Nov 29, 2017.

  1. ljimbo423

    ljimbo423 Senior Member

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    I have also had limited success with probiotics. As I understand it, the best way to increase the number of good bacteria that already live in the gut is with prebiotics.

    However, then there is the question do they feed the bad bacteria as well and should one treat an overgrowth or dysbiosis first, then add in the prebiotics. I did the later, for fear of worsening my dysbiosis with prebiotics.

    I am experiencing die-off from the prebiotics just as I did the probiotics. Although I feel better than before taking them, after the die-off passes. So hopefully it's a net gain!:) It sure feels like it.

    Jim
     
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  2. pamojja

    pamojja Senior Member

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    Well, in the case of dysbiosis through an intestinal infection, it could go either way. As these two self-quantifying guys found: http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2014/08/06/the-quantified-microbiome-self/

    And yes, really no one could know that beforehand.
     
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  3. ljimbo423

    ljimbo423 Senior Member

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    @pamojja - What a great article! Fascinating how dynamic the microbiome is and that David's food poisoning actually pushed him into a healthier microbiome! Thanks for the post.

    Jim
     
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  4. hopeful2

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    I don't know if you will relate to this or not but I had something similar happen to me. Back on Christmas day of 1982, I came down with a really bad stomach bug after which I was never the same. Prior to coming down with the stomach bug, I was a junk food junkie and was addicted to anything with sugar in it. After the stomach bug, I had symptoms that in hindsight were like a milder case of ME/CFS then what I have now. I went to the doctor with no relief and in desperation decided to give up all junk food and anything containing sugar. I started eating nothing but healthy food and to my surprise ended up feeling much worse. I went back to the doctor and told him what I had done and how much worse I was feeling and he decided to run a glucose tolerance test on me.

    I went and took a 4 hour glucose tolerance test and at about 1-1/2 hours into the test I started feeling so sick that I wanted to leave. I felt like I was coming down with a bad flu bug. The lab technician convinced me to stay and finish the test. But, the fact that I had felt so sick in the middle of the test piqued the lab tech's curiosity so he immediately started running my blood through to get the results. He then told me that he wasn't supposed to tell me the results but he felt sorry for me and decided to tell me that I had the worse case of reactive hypoglycemia that he had ever seen which my doctor later confirmed.

    I was then sent to a dietician for a diet plan. I explained to the dietician how I had felt so much worse when I switched from a junk food diet to a healthy diet and asked her if she could explain why that would happen. She said it was because the junk food was loaded with fat and although it had more carbs and sugar than the healthy diet, the high fat content was buffering the effects of the low blood sugar and providing my body with an alternative source of fuel. She said when I switched to the healthy food diet, I was eating very little fat and more carbs than my body could tolerate. So, when my blood sugar dropped there was no fat in my system to buffer the effects of the low blood sugar.

    I don't know what kind of junk food you were eating but if it was high in fat and then you switched to a low fat healthy food diet is it possible that you are experiencing low blood sugar attacks?
     
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  5. MartinDH

    MartinDH Senior Member

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    As I already said: Before falling ill with ME I have eaten veggies and fruits every day without any problems. I was very sporty and rarely ate junk food. So there was no switch to a healthy diet at all... My diet did not change but my reaction did!
     
  6. Fogbuster

    Fogbuster Senior Member

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    A simple answer to all that you've said is, YES!!!! I've no idea why I didn't get round to posting this question to others before, but I'm glad you did. Anyway, it's good to find a kindred spirit! ;)
     
  7. E.man

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    My body does reach for high sugar drinks and snacks because it's looking for easy energy, I do put on weight from it though.
    'Eating your 'greens' ' is not particularly useful to many of us. We've just changed too much that 'healthy' food is not the same to us as many other people now.
     
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    I find high sugar foods are a quick fix but not the answer. It just makes me crash even more. My dietician told me to have more low GI foods througout the day and I think it certainly helps me.
     
  9. E.man

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    That's true, but I know when my body is hardly dragging itself around it wants a pickup . I tried to shop better toward the lower GI last time out.
     

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