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Has vitamin K-2 (mk-4 or mk7) helped you ?

Discussion in 'General Treatment' started by Hanna, Apr 10, 2012.

  1. Chocolove

    Chocolove Tournament of the Phoenix - Rise Again

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    @Batter What exactly was it that you tried? I've been scoping out natto online.
     
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    I've just taken delivery of this D2/K2 combination.

    Each tablet contains Vitamin D3 5,000iu and Vitamin K2 (MK-7) 100mcg
     
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  3. Chocolove

    Chocolove Tournament of the Phoenix - Rise Again

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  4. Chocolove

    Chocolove Tournament of the Phoenix - Rise Again

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    I got a kick out of the brand name!

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  5. Chocolove

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    As a guinea pig, I must report that my test on the K-2 supplement was aborted after a week due to catching a cold.
     
  6. Gondwanaland

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    I see a pattern here. Many people run into immnunity issues. Could this be an increased need for vitamin A and Zinc?
     
  7. Chocolove

    Chocolove Tournament of the Phoenix - Rise Again

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    More likely I caught the cold because I went to the doctor's office and urgent care trying to get some testing done. Those places are full of super bugs.

    While I was there the doc agreed to test my vitamin A&D levels and both came out in the normal range...finally. It took a whole lot of liver eating and D3 supplementation to achieve this. So the vitamin K2 did not deplete these two. I don't know where I was on the zinc. However I started doing zinc lozenges as soon as I realized I was probably catching a cold and that stopped the sore throat within 24. I am doing much better now taking the Wellness Formula. Thank you much for checking.
     
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  8. MeSci

    MeSci ME/CFS since 1995; activity level 6?

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    On the 8th I took one 75 mcg Healthspan (supposedly a reputable brand) K2 (M-7), but I have been really weird since and hope it wears off. My eyesight has been even more dodgy than usual. It's a good thing I didn't take one a day! I decided that one every 7 days was enough to start with, and unless it was something else I don't want to take it again! I'm really not with it. I'm a vegan by the way, with cats (who aren't).

    Not really with-it. Off my food.
     
  9. Gondwanaland

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    Do you treat your nuts, seeds, grains, legumes to reduce phytates? The top most important nutrients for eye health are Zinc (poorly available from plants due to phytates) and vitamin A (not present in plants - conversion from carotenoids might be sub-optimal).
     
  10. MeSci

    MeSci ME/CFS since 1995; activity level 6?

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    No, I don't, but I take multivitamins, and I've been vegan since 1983, so I don't expect to be short of anything.

    My eyesight was fine until the last year (with glasses), I should have said. It's recently been getting worse, and I don't know if it's temporary or if I need to see an optician. My concentration has become very poor too, so I don't like going anywhere where I have to think.
     
  11. Gondwanaland

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    This could be a zinc deficiency. I get it whenever I up my intake of plant protein despite eating plenty of animal protein daily. It seems pretty easy to inhibit Zinc absorption as we get older and sicker :(
     
  12. MeSci

    MeSci ME/CFS since 1995; activity level 6?

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    I get 11 mg zinc from my main supplement, about 7-11 mg from my mineral supplement. That should be enough, surely.

    I think the problem was with the supplement - a weird reaction that I've never had to a Healthspan supplement before to my memory.

    I'm not risking any new supplements for a while - have been frighteningly ill.
     
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  13. Chocolove

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    That sounds a whole lot like what I went through I thought I was covered on vitamin A with my supplements...
    so I long failed to look into vitamin A and suffered serious snowballing consequences.

    But, check your vitamin bottle to see what the contents really are. You will probably find their vitamin A is actually carotene. That is not Vitamin A despite what the label says. Carotene converts very poorly, at about 3%, to vitamin A, or not even that. An estimated 45% of us do NOT convert carotene to vitamin A at all. I discovered that I'm one of those folks.

    Vitamin A is required for vision. Liver is the major dietary source of it. Vitamin A is also the anti-infection vitamin...

    Sorry to say but true vitamin A is not in plant foods. If you don't mind eating fish, you might try getting a quality cod liver oil...
     
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  14. MeSci

    MeSci ME/CFS since 1995; activity level 6?

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    I do mind eating fish! So do most of the veggies and vegans in the world.

    My vitamin A is described as beta-carotene and acetate. My eyesight has been fine for a very long time. Do you have a link for the info about poor converters?
     
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    Not due to a hole in the retina, I hope.
     
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  17. Gondwanaland

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    I think this has been posted before because I remember reading it and seeing that the person used the same brand as I did, which seems to be too potent/toxic. I tried a dose 3x larger from Thorne and noticed no benefits or side effects other than insomnia.
     
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  18. Chocolove

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    @MeSci Frankly I very much agree. Further, I would also rather not eat plants which cannot scream, run or fight. (At least they have thorns and make chemical weapons for self defense.) Sadly I am not able to survive on minerals and water.
     
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  19. MeSci

    MeSci ME/CFS since 1995; activity level 6?

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    I don't think so. I'm going to the doctor's on Monday so I will consult her. My eyesight seems to vary with time of day, so I don't think it's due to damage.
     
  20. pattismith

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    it would be very attractive to take an "all in one" supplement for mitochondria support...

    But if I look at this one, I like the vitamine E form chosen (tocopheryl succinate), but the level is very low (8.3 UI). I take myself 400 UI twice a day of it...
    At the same time, we know nothing about the form and level of the CoQ10 in this supplement, and it doesn't seem either a good idea to give CoQ10 and Vitamine E at the same time as it seems that there is a competition for absorption between the two :

    http://forums.phoenixrising.me/index.php?threads/ubiquinol-versus-ubiquinone-a-recent-article.55480/
     
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