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Has vitamin K-2 (mk-4 or mk7) helped you ?

Discussion in 'General Treatment' started by Hanna, Apr 10, 2012.

  1. Chocolove

    Chocolove Tournament of the Phoenix - Rise Again

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    This is a very interesting article that discusses the necessary co-factors of vitamin K2... and the results of taking vitamin D in the absence of K2 (not good.)
    https://rebelhealthtribe.com/vitamin-k2-often-ignored-and-misunderstood-powerhouse-of-health/

    @realturbo You might be interested in the arguments for this brand of K2 as recommended by Michael Roesslein, Functional Diagnostic Nutrition Practitioner and CHEK Holistic Lifestyle Coach | Co-Founder of Rebel Health Tribe:
     
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  2. Chocolove

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    As per: http://dailydose.ttuhsc.edu/2016/september/vitamin-k.aspx

    The aforementioned study used the product, MenaquinGold K2-7 by Nu Science Trading, according to this article:
    http://www.nutraingredients-usa.com...ight&utm_medium=OnSite&utm_campaign=copyright
     
  3. Chocolove

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    Is K2 a big part of the "French Paradox"?
    Figuring out why the French have low cardiovascular disease rates despite a diet high in saturated fats has spurred research and many theories to account for this phenomenon known as the “French paradox.” Most explanations have previously focused on wine and lifestyle, but a key role could belong to another French staple: cheese.

    Cheese made with the right culture contains Vitamin K2 which, research shows, is important for calcium assimilation. The cheeses high in K2 are Gouda, Edam and Brie. Brie is a traditional French cheese and Gouda is a Dutch cheese. Apr 12, 2016
    Vitamin K2 & The French Paradox | Healthy Valley Organics
    https://www.healthyvalleyorganics.com.au/health.../vitamin-k2-the-french-paradox/

    @realturbo Here's a new product that may soon be available in your area:
    NattoPharma debuts 'full spectrum' form of Vitamin K2 to mimic what's found in cheese
    By Hank SchultzHank Schultz, 22-Sep-2017
    http://www.nutraingredients-usa.com...of-Vitamin-K2-to-mimic-what-s-found-in-cheese

    Cheese: A Nutritional Powerhouse That Helps Protect You
    https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/06/.../heart-healthy-cheese.aspx

    Jun 17, 2013 - In my interview with Dr. Rheamue-Bleue, she identified the cheeses highest in K2 are Gouda and Brie, which contain about 75 mcg per ounce.
     
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    @Chocolove, interesting re: increase in cardiac output with K2 supplementation. I experienced this during the initial 3-4 weeks of supplementation with the Thorne MK4 product. My exercise capacity inexplicably jumped practically overnight. However, the effect wore off over time, as it does with most things.
     
  6. Chocolove

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    Are you still taking vitamin K2?

    @Sidereal Standard knee jerk thought process response from me o_O; maybe rate limiting factors: I wonder if the exercise capacity increase is sustainable with additional vitamins A and D, plus magnesium, zinc and boron...
    Vitamin A depletion causes oxidative stress, mitochondrial dysfunction ...
    www.fasebj.org/content/22/11/3878.abstract
    by HJ Chiu - ‎2008 - ‎Cited by 52 - ‎Related articles
    Aug 1, 2008 - Vitamin A depletion causes oxidative stress, mitochondrial dysfunction, and PARP-1-dependent energy deprivation ... CR-108, a novel vitamin K derivative induces apoptosis through ROS and mitochondrial dysfunction in ...

    Perhaps other co-factors which might have been depleted through the use of the K2? In looking at mitochondrial disease there are some other factors listed here:
    http://mitochondrialdiseases.org/wp...for-Mitochondrial-Disease-Dr.-Bruce-Cohen.pdf

    Or the lack of additional mitochondria which would have been created by (the non-existent) exercise limited further increase. Or the body simply prioritized something else to repair or process... Or dosage of K2... Or...

    But then there is this article which examines vitamin K2 with regard to energy from fat metabolism:
    https://www.intechopen.com/books/vi...the-impact-of-vitamin-k2-on-energy-metabolism

    @realturbo You might be interested in this combo K2 supplement with co-factors:
    MitoForce - Mitochondrial Energy Support - Nutritional Supplement ...
    www.holisticheal.com/mitoforce-mitochondrial-support.html
    Vitamin E (as Succinate), 8.3 IU. Vitamin K (as Phytonadione, Menaquinone-4 & Menaquinone-7, 95mcg. Vitamin B2 (as Riboflavin-5-phosphate), 3mg. Vitamin ...

    http://www.kintera.org/site/c.8qKOJ0MvF7LUG/b.8047543/k.392D/Financial_Help_for_Supplements.htm

    Mighty Mitochondria. The bacteria are having their say through the Mito Action Group... :rofl:
    http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/Bil...&DocNum=1515&GAID=13&SessionID=88&LegID=88177

    http://www.mitoaction.org/files/hb977-mitochondrial-disease-.pdf
     
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  7. Sidereal

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    Occasionally.

    Depletion of A & D were definitely a problem, and surprisingly early on at that. Boron was a scary experience. One dose caused a profound weakness lasting a day or two.
     
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  8. Chocolove

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    @Sidereal Interesting about boron. I'm getting plenty of boron through prunes. My main source of vitamin A is liver and sometimes I really respond to liver and end up eating quite a lot. I figured out from my genetics that I was lacking in vitamin A with quite a few genes blocking any conversion of carotene to A...not that genetics really mattered since conversion of carotene to A is really low.
     
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  9. Gondwanaland

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    Could you please give a few examples of issues?
     
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    Sure.

    Vit A deficiency was worsening eyesight.

    Vit D - normally not tolerated even in tiniest doses. After a while on K2 I suddenly got a huge calcium deficiency which refused to resolve itself with Ca supplementation until I added some D3, which is logical. What surprised me was that D supplementation was tolerated for the first time in my life.

    K2 deficiency - the main symptom was teeth losing their white colour and turning kinda greyish. Also plaque.
     
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  11. Chocolove

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    Warning for those thinking they will be safe by taking supplements containing vitamin A:
    Check the fine print on your bottle. You will most likely find that it is carotene Not vitamin A. Since too much real A can be toxic they usually just put in carotene. Taking vitamin D3 will help prevent toxicity from too much A.

    Failure to tolerate vitamin D3 may indicate low vitamin A. They seem to counterbalance each other.
     
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    This is an interesting Multi vitamin/mineral plant complex that contains vitamin K2 in MK-7 form:
    https://www.brainmdhealth.com/brain-and-body-power

    For anyone feeling adventurous they apparently have a free trial:
    https://www.brainmdhealth.com/free-trial

    It is certainly cheaper to get all these different supplements in one combo than buying separate bottles of each. But if you have a bad reaction, the number of ingredients makes it hard to decipher what you are reacting to.
     
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    Perhaps the boron depleted riboflavin B2?
    Vitamin B2 - Health Facts
    www.ndhealthfacts.org/wiki/Vitamin_B2
    Mar 17, 2014 - Anticonvulsant Medications and Related Barbiturates - Drug may alter riboflavin metabolism and interfere with activity of riboflavin-related enzymes and deplete the vitamin. ... Boric Acid, Borate, and Boron - Drug tends to complex with vitamin B2 and thereby reduce absorption and increase urinary excretion.
     
  14. Gondwanaland

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    I took MK7 for 30 days back in 2013 and couldn't notice benefits. OTOH I took 1 dose of MK4 back in 2015 and had a huge response (both good and bad as already described). When I tried D3+MK4 all I got was insomnia.
     
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    I don't think so. I was taking loads of sublingual B2 at the time.
     
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    His problem maybe has to do with Thiamine Deficiency. There is a link with nitric oxide.
    The reverse of the folate problem. Sorry no time to write :hug:
     
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    Anyone with elevated Calcium in blood tried K2 (probably hyper parathyroidism)?
    Last 6 months I was struggling with digestive problems and fatigue. Weight loss.
    Blood tests showed only elevated Calcium 10.3 and more recent 10.6. Doctor's didn't know what causing that.
    I have tried Vit D3 but only sleep problems and heart palpitations worsened.
    Just recently I have tried NOW MK4 100mcg (with alfaalfa), my Vit D symptoms worsened a lot, fatigue was unbearable.
    But after trying natto (40g per day). Just in a week I got huge energy boost. Clean teeth.
    Previously I had couple teeth sensitivities, when saliva was there it was even more painful. Now sensitivity is almost gone.
    I'm planning to do one more blood test to check calcium levels.
    Not sure how much MK7 in 40g natto.
    Also looks like it's a bit heavy for liver to handle. Will slow down a bit.
    Probably somewhat messy experience, but would be interesting to know how MK4/MK7 impacts PTH and blood calcium levels.
     
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    There is a new vitamin K2(MK-7) and vitamin K1 product just out from a manufacturer that I trust:
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