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Half a billion for 'talking therapies'?

Discussion in 'Other Health News and Research' started by Jonathan Edwards, Jul 31, 2017.

  1. Jonathan Edwards

    Jonathan Edwards Senior Member

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    It seems that Mr Jeremy Hunt, the UK health minister, has announced a further £1.3B for mental health staff. People are already saying the figures do not add up but it looks as if half of this is going on psychotherapist salaries for 'talking therapies'. See https://www.theguardian.com/society...xed-response-to-13bn-plan-for-better-services

    I think this indicates the scale of the vested interest in psychotherapy that lies behind PACE. OK, talking therapy might be useful for psychiatric illnesses like depression, but I am about as sceptical about use of therapists there as I am for ME in fact. The problem is actually lack of medical and nursing staff.
     
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  2. Kati

    Kati Patient in training

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    Could this have to do with whom is President of the Royal College of Psychiatrists (wessely)?
     
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  3. AndyPR

    AndyPR Cookies for Tired Sam

    Coverage on this from the BBC
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-40752060

    Given Hunt's stated aim to "end the "historic imbalance" between mental and physical health services.", his plan becomes clear now. Under fund the physical health services until the funding balances with mental health services...

    From the Guardian article
    So yet more smoke and mirrors from our lovely Tory government. This announcement is using funds previously announced, so while it looks like new money is being invested it's not, and it won't fully address the fall in staffing numbers that they caused in the first place.
     
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  4. Skippa

    Skippa Senior Member

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    This is the deflection/distraction.

    Kinda knew something would crop up to grab the limelight.
     
  5. TiredSam

    TiredSam The wise nematode hibernates

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    This from the Guardian makes me feel very uneasy. Are we all to be sent to occupational therapists with a leaflet so they can say "look, we're treating and extra 1 million people"? For M.E. sufferers "properly integrate mental and physical health services" has meant "improperly substitute mental for physical health services", and I'd like to see a lot less of it.

    "We are spending 1.3 billion on mental health" is another way of saying "some people are going to be earning 1.3 billion from mental health" - a little transparency on who's cashing in and what for wouldn't come amiss.

    And the fact that sums of this size are available for talk therapy whilst biomedical research into M.E. gets nothing is a (insert expletive of choice here) disgrace.
     
  6. adreno

    adreno PR activist

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    We don't need more talk therapy. We need to figure out the biological basis of so-called "mental" health issues. Terming a disorder "mental" really just means that we don't understand what it is. It's only one step up from calling it possession. Talk therapy is really just a modern form of exorcism. No wonder it was invented in the West, with its Christian history.
     
  7. Jonathan Edwards

    Jonathan Edwards Senior Member

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    I could not possibly comment.

    Er, yes, that was my reading.
     
  8. Cheshire

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    This tells more about the fact that some health care professionals think they are indispensable than about mental health needs.



    No, not anyone, Simon.
     
  9. Marco

    Marco Grrrrrrr!

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    This was always my fear with the recent focus on treating mental illnesses. That the CBT 'cure-all' pyramid scheme would be wheeled out as a ready made quick fix.
     
  10. wastwater

    wastwater Senior Member

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    I think therapy is over valued for so called psychiatric illness
     
  11. arewenearlythereyet

    arewenearlythereyet Biscuit Antagonist

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    I wonder what they will do next? .....make out that colds and gi infections or arthritis are psychosomatic? I wish they would just get real and stop playing their silly games.

    Just seems totally transparent to me that the NIce review, the rise of MUS centers, closure of vital units in our teaching hospitals, Brexit, are all bringing us to a point where they will destroy the health service and irradiate the care element completely.

    I know the numbers don't stack up with low taxes and an aging population but is this really a viable answer? It's shallow thinking at its very very worst.
     
  12. TiredSam

    TiredSam The wise nematode hibernates

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    MI is a heart attack for anyone who, like me, thought for one horrible moment that he was trying to get an acronym for "mental illness" into common usage by listing it with two of the most common killers. I must be getting paranoid.

    A 10 yr plan should see him nicely into retirement.
     
  13. Skippa

    Skippa Senior Member

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    Jeez... hi future human beings studying this crazy period of social history!

    Sorry we couldn't prevent this cluster fuck, not all people of this period bought into it.

    Might I refer you to leeches and bloodletting for more "quackery of history".

    Those who don't learn from their history...
     
  14. Skippa

    Skippa Senior Member

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    I thought it was a typo for ME.

    I know people who had a myocardial infarction who didn't then need to see a shrink.

    WTF?

    It (mental intervention) starts as an adjunctive to traditional medication, I wonder how long before patients can ONLY get mental help for cancer??

    Absurd.
     
  15. lilpink

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    Big YEP! :bang-head:
     
  16. A.B.

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    Code for "psychologize every difficult problem and abandon the patient while offering psychotherapy just so you can avoid the accusation of abandoning the patient".
     
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    Dunno...I know of one house in England with 650 people in it, the majority of whom appear to have serious mental health problems, or so the evidence would suggest.
     
  18. Forbin

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    I don't see this turning out well in the long run...

     
  19. Sean

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    Yeah, excuse me if my cynicism alarm is ringing off the wall.

    If anybody was in any doubt that the problem we are dealing with is (and long has been) primarily a political one, not a scientific one, this madness should dispel any remaining doubts. Actual science simply doesn't count anymore in these decisions and policies. It is all now just a pseudo-scientific band-aid excuse to deny proper healthcare to millions, and then blame them for not getting any benefit from the madness.

    Parity in funding between physical and mental health, independent of the effectiveness and relevance of the latter's interventions is a completely arbitrary and bogus benchmark, indicating nothing more than the degree to which the healthcare system has been corrupted by money, ideology, and pseudo-science.

    Anybody want to bet that there will be no meaningful measures of how 'successful' this program is?

    The most important question now for patients in the UK is how far the alternative government (Corbyn Labour) has been sucked into this cesspit.

    Anybody has any close contacts with senior Labour people, now is a good time to try setting the record straight for them. If they fall for this madness then it is all over for UK patients, which will not help the rest of us either.
     
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  20. adreno

    adreno PR activist

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    Yep.
     

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