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"Gut version" of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome - mb it's colon we need to blame?

Discussion in 'Gastrointestinal and Urinary' started by Ekaterina, Nov 7, 2015.

  1. Ekaterina

    Ekaterina

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    Hi, guys!
    I just want to share some thoughts with you.
    I always watch over my condition and I notice that it changes all the time. I feel much worse in the morning and I think it's all because of bacterias that have grown during the night, bc at night our perestalsis is very slow. When I clean my colon with enema I start to feel much better almost immediately. And I remember few times in the past when I was not ill I made enemas and woke up in this ill state with my gut poppled. It' obvious taht water from the enema coudn't penetrate into the small intestines. And I always feel better after defecation. I just thought mb it's a colon we need to blame for giving to us all the symptomes of CFS? Any thougts?
     
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    lansbergen Senior Member

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    Constipation is a symptom not the cause.
     
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    Hi ,

    I experience something similar. Let's say that half an hour before going to the toilet I get very anxious. Lightheaded. Very sensitive to everything. Then when I go to the toilet and empty my bowel things calm down. I do get exhausted after for a an hour or more. It can really ruin my day really. But the anxiousness goes.

    One explanation could be that all the blood goes to the intestines and not enough to the head. Once it's gone things get better. That's what an ME specialist in the Netherlands told me .

    Another would be a leaky gut and histamines.
     
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  4. ScottTriGuy

    ScottTriGuy Stop the harm. Start the research and treatment.

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    I went through a very similar period in the spring when I was my sickest - a bowel movement would cause anxiety - I attributed it to an over-stimulated nervous system. Not pleasant.
     
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    I used to get that with IBS a lot, before healing my gut and anxiety. The gut is directly connected to anxiety based stuff, anxiety can cause colon spasm and vice versa.
     
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  6. Grigor

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    How did you fix yours? Or it just went by itself?
     
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    Hi,

    There are microbes that have been shown to cause constipation.
    Some antibiotics, such as neomycin, erythromycin, and metronidazole have been used to treat the infection.

    Lately, I've been taking metronidazole (flagyl), and penicillin to treat what seems to be a systemic polymicrobial infection that's causing a bunch of symptoms, including fatigue and the gut issues, but especially neurological problems.
     
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  8. Grigor

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    Personally I can't tolerate AB. It's overstimulating.
     
  9. kangaSue

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    If you have to strain to effect a bowel motion, you are performing a Valsalva maneuver.

    http://www.aclscertification.com/blog/can-constipation-cause-heart-attacks/

    [Difficulty in passing stools often leads an individual to strain while sitting on the toilet to pass stools forcefully. Straining involves holding one’s breath and bearing down. This action is medically known as a Valsalva’s maneuver, where one forcibly exhales against a closed glottis (a part of the airways involved in allowing air entry to the lungs).

    During sustained straining while defecating, one does a Valsalva maneuver, which increases abdominal pressure and helps in forcing out stools from the colon. However, this action also has effects on the circulatory system. Holding one’s breath while bearing down causes a temporary increase in pressure inside the chest, which reduces blood flow to the heart. Heart rate also decreases and during this period, the blood volume pumped by the heart to the rest of the body may fall. The body compensates with a series of increases and decreases in blood pressure and heart rate. As one releases the straining motion and begins to breathe again, a sudden rise in arterial blood pressure and a slowing of heart rate may occur.

    These changes in heart rate and blood pressure are normally tolerated by individuals who have a healthy cardiovascular system. In fact, the Valsalva maneuver is used as a diagnostic test in people who have heart problems and as a technique to correct abnormal heart rhythms or chest pain.]
     
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  10. SB_1108

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    Wow - I would say this exactly! If my IBS is worse, I notice my anxiety is always worse. I'm not anxious about my symptoms, just general anxiety about anything/nothing. And vice versa... If I'm having anxiety or insomnia, I can pretty much predict that I will be very sick with my IBS that particular day.
    Then the exhaustion sets in almost immediately after the last trip to the bathroom. And I agree... it can really ruin my entire day until the cycle starts all over again.
     
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  11. JPV

    JPV ɹǝqɯǝɯ ɹoıuǝs

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    I believe that there are different subsets of patients, some of whom all of their symptoms could be attributed to the gut and microbiome imbalance/infection and others perhaps something else (immune issues/virus/lyme/etc). I fall in with the gut microbiome crowd because that is where my symptoms began and really the worst of my pain. However, I have friends with the exact same diagnosis with zero IBS-type symptoms. But then again, the illness could just present itself in different ways? Who knows...
     
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    There are certainly subsets but I think gut bacteria impacts virtually every health condition imaginable, in one way or another. Therefore I suspect that each subset is still affected but perhaps to varying degrees.

    I think the study of gut bacteria and the microbiome is shaping up to become the future of medicine, at least as it pertains to chronic illness...

    I had the bacteria in my gut analysed. And this may be the future of medicine (The Guardian)
     
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    Yes . One thing I noticed is the more acid my stool is the more hardcore the collapse afterwards is . Maybe also the anxiety but not sure.
    Pro Biotics do help somewhat.
     
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    are you in any form of medications? the ebst remedy is to start consuming fruits and veggies that contains high fibers..it is best in cleansing the colon and getting rid of bad bacteria.. if you consume more fibers you will have a natural way of addressing your problems..medicines will usually cause some alterations in your normal flora.. probiotics will also help.try papaya..it works best for colon cleansing and for regular bowel movements..i have seen and proven its effects.. immediate effects.:)
     
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