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Mother nature may be a bitch but much of mankind is sociopathic. Pick your poison...
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but much of mankind is sociopathic.
1-2% is the figure I keep seeing for psychopaths, aka sociopaths. 20% or so are suppressive types who block efforts at improvement. 80% yearn for and strive for improvement in society. So I guess we know who's in power now.Mother nature may be a bitch but much of mankind is sociopathic. Pick your poison...
Well Humans as individuals tend to be benign
Put them in groups though and it's a different matter.
I'm just interested in hearing about toxic exposure and its role in ME/CFS
I think the link to ME/CFS would be an indirect one for many toxins taken in isolation. The entire toxic load would be more relevant.
Would it have something to do with live-virus vaccines,
The trigger for my 23-year illness was reactivated EBV. But why would my immune system let that happen?
I don't have a reference but this effect is hypothesized. Two herbicides (I think) were used in an area. Either area was safe to live. Where both were used there was a very high incidence of childhood cognitive issues. I think this was in Mexico or New Mexico. Whether or not this stands up to further scrutiny I do not know.If two toxins were to work in tandem to create a disease, they would have to do so via specific biochemical pathways.
• ciguatoxin exposure (which comes from certain fish) causes ciguatera, which can later sometimes lead to ME/CFS.
@Gingergrrl
You're thinking of curare, used as a muscle relaxant during anesthesia, and originally used by South American Indians to make poison arrow heads for hunting. I am not aware of any chemical connection between ciguatoxin and curare.
This is the same brand of lunch meat we see these days in the hysterical media. Just heap judgment and blame on anyone who questions vaccine safety.Perhaps this is just selfishness, and lack of interest in future generations.
I think it is ciguatoxin that is somehow connected to anesthesia but I do not recall the details. It was from a post by @zzz unless I am totally screwing up the word which is possible! Am still trying to figure out if it relates to my case.
Ciguatoxin – greatly increased levels of the ciguatoxin epitope, a marker of altered sodium channel activity, in most CFS patients provide the best evidence yet a (sodium) channelopathy occurs in CFS. Whether these findings reflect a chronic disease process or something more specific to CFS is unclear but research, thankfully, is underway to elucidate the intersection between CFS and ciguatera (Pearn 2001, Hokama et .al. 2002, 2003a/b).
Information about anesthesia
Anesthesia has adversely affected patients with CFIDS (also known as chronic fatigue syndrome and myalgic encephalomyelitis). The reason for this has been found. Recent research* funded by the National CFIDS Foundation, Inc. found that a substance, much like ciguatera toxin, is being produced in the body by a disease process in those with CFIDS/ME/CFS. Dubbed the “ciguatera epitope,” this research explains the danger of using any anesthesia that uses the sodium channel at the cellular level. Some anesthesiologists have had success blocking the sodium channel during anesthesia for CFIDS/ME/CFS patients.
*J Clin Lab Anal, 6/2003, Hokama et al
*J Toxicology, 12/2003, Hokama et al