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Guardian article "I had CFS. the Lightning Process at least offers hope."

Discussion in 'General ME/CFS Discussion' started by Chrisb, Sep 25, 2017.

  1. Chrisb

    Chrisb Senior Member

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  2. A.B.

    A.B. Senior Member

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    Yes, it offers hope but the hope is false.

    The comments are overwhelmingly negative.
     
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  3. Art Vandelay

    Art Vandelay Senior Member

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    It seems that the Guardian can't handle criticism or debate as they deleted my comment within minutes.

    All I did was use words like "scam", "preying on vulnerable people" and "uncritical bilge". ;)
     
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  4. Kenshin

    Kenshin

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    Even real "hope" is a pretty empty concept, (perfect propaganda word because it doesn't actually mean anything concrete).
    Reality doesn't care about hope. It doesn't care how much you hope you can fly, hope will never beat gravity.

    I've heard it said on this board before - The lightning process is the lightening process of your wallet.
     
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  5. NelliePledge

    NelliePledge plodder

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    I am so cross with the Guardian I am not only not buying the paper I am not even clicking links to their online content at the moment. Which is the treatment I have only reserved for the Scum up to now.
     
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  6. Esther12

    Esther12 Senior Member

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    About the level of thought and analysis we should expect from the Guardian.
     
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  7. Demepivo

    Demepivo Dolores Abernathy

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    I came on here to look up info on the Radio 4 You & Yours...My blood pressure has immediately gone up

    A Phil Parker Ltd stooge *sigh*
     
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  8. Snowdrop

    Snowdrop Rebel without a biscuit

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    I wouldn't suggest clicking through. If it gets a lot of hits that's good for G and they will continue to print what they know will promote controversy and click bait.

    In fact, I'd suggest a campaign to boycott the G if it were at all useful.

    The heart of the conversation was this idea (and we've seen it here many times) of newly ill people needing something to give them hope.

    What's needed is to offer them a better alternative. And then spread that news far and wide.

    Edit to correct grammar
     
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  9. Demepivo

    Demepivo Dolores Abernathy

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    There are some intelligent posts by well known people in the patient community..I have upvoted the good ones.
     
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  10. Countrygirl

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    The author writes well about challenging health conditions,
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    ....................perhaps there was the usual 'phone call' to the editor from a chum who needed a bit of good publicity :rolleyes:

    ...................editor contacts Vonny......................an obvious choice given her track record (see here............

    https://www.theguardian.com/comment...m-psychosis-mothers-postnatal-depression-baby


    ................not that we want to give the Guardian any traffic..................


    I had postpartum psychosis. More must be done to help mothers like me
    Vonny Leclerc

    This bit is interesting:

    She eventually recovered, but she has experienced postpartum psychosis twice.

    She seems a good choice of ally for our BPS friend :cool:
     
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  11. Chrisb

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    It seems to me singularly inappropriate and unkind for the Guardian, knowing such a history, to have accepted an article endorsing quackery from the author.
     
  12. Demepivo

    Demepivo Dolores Abernathy

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    Good spot, explains a lot.
    Can you edit the URL? (the last part) Thanks :)
     
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  13. Rick Sanchez

    Rick Sanchez

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    Almost looks like Theguardian is actively baiting all the dangerous militant ME/CFS activists out there with all these quackery articles. Better watch out, there will be riots soon, and someone might have a soiled sock thrown at them if things keep on escalating!!
     
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    I wasn’t a fan of the guardian before but they have really outdone themselves this week. The newspapers are disgusting in the UK
     
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    Just wrote a fairly lengthy prasae of the recent developments (RituxME, Cyclo, PACE, etc) to find that comments have been switched off. Clearly they're not thrilled at people pointing out the poor, poor reporting the Grauniad have done on this topic.
     
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  16. user9876

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    They do a a lot of censorship of comments from people with ME and given the criticism they generally allow on articles I think it shows the guardian has a very bad attitude towards ME.
     
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    Sorted out the problem as per this post

    http://forums.phoenixrising.me/inde...of-the-smile-trial….54503/page-18#post-909719

    @Chrisb - can you post this in your original post pls for the benefit of readers of PR.



     
  18. Vonjones

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    Lets hope the Times article marks a turning point. Still had Chalder comments at end but none of the other papers headlined the struggle of pwme as Whipple did but just quoted the SCM.
     
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    Done! :)
     
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    Reminds me of the hypnotist out of Little Britain
     

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