GMC suspends Nigel Speight

[SilverbladeTE]

note the English children's welfare services are becoming a For Profit system of ABUSE for profit
Worth £1 billion a year now
secret courts
only specific lawyers and experts are allowed
certain companies are BUYING the contracts/rights to those allowed persons
get it? it's stitched up.

oh and yes well, allegations of child abuse where children's homes were used as "pick n' mix" child slave brothels by Elite perverts are bad for business.
ah huh.

very profitable to keep children in the care system for some

 

[Gingergrrl]

Freedom of speech, facts, honesty, protecting children?

I guess I was just shocked as if I was reading about something happening in Iraq or Afghanistan vs. the UK. It's hard to comprehend not ever having lived there but I do not doubt it at all. Just very sad.

 

[Bob]

Isn't his freedom of speech being taken away if he cannot even lecture?

If he gives up his license to practice then he can lecture. In the UK, we have restrictions on the public behaviour of all practising doctors. I think they're not allowed to bring the profession into disrepute and that sort of thing. (I'm not suggesting that Dr Speight has, or would, bring the profession into disrepute - far from it - I'm just talking generally.)

 

[Aurator]

It's a depressingly predictable betrayal.

What I find most surprising is how Dr Speight put up for so long with all the nonsense he's been subjected to by utterly unworthy people within the medical establishment. He's better off out of there. It's nevertheless a big setback for the families Dr Speight was helping, and a perfidious recompense for his many years of conscientious practice as a doctor.

Things are so obviously so badly wrong at the top that it's almost impossible not to foresee change for the better in the not too distant future.

 

[Gingergrrl]

If he gives up his license to practice then he can lecture. In the UK, we have restrictions on the public behaviour of all practising doctors. I think they're not allowed to bring the profession into disrepute and that sort of thing. (I'm not suggesting that Dr Speight has, or would, bring the profession into disrepute - far from it - I'm just talking generally.)

I did not realize that and assumed all practicing doctors could lecture just as they can here in the U.S. In fact, here it is almost the opposite in that if a doctor's license got taken away, they most likely would lose the right to lecture (and they would lose all credibility as most would not want advise from someone who lost their medical license.) Am also speaking in generalities and nothing whatsoever to do with Dr. Speight.

 

[Gingergrrl]

It's nevertheless a big setback for the families Dr Speight was helping

Sorry if dumb question but does he require that license in order to help those families? I understand some families might prefer to see a licensed MD but for the ones already working with him, can they choose to continue to see him (for non-ME issues but then discuss all relevant issues as needed) if they wanted to?

 

[Kati]

Sorry if dumb question but does he require that license in order to help those families? I understand some families might prefer to see a licensed MD but for the ones already working with him, can they choose to continue to see him (for non-ME issues but then discuss all relevant issues as needed) if they wanted to?

It is illegal to practice medicine without a proper medical license. This holds true for most if not all first world countries.

 

[Gingergrrl]

It is illegal to practice medicine without a proper medical license. This holds true for most if not all first world countries.

Of course and I get that part, sorry for being unclear. I thought the ruling said that he could practice general medicine, just nothing to do with ME/CFS so I wondered if those families could continue to see him for "non" ME/CFS issues but then ask any questions that they needed.

ETA: I thought they had split his license into two parts (a regular pediatrician and an ME/CFS specialist) and that he could still practice general medicine, just not in his specialty. But I may be misunderstanding this completely.

 

[Kati]

Of course and I get that part, sorry for being unclear. I thought the ruling said that he could practice general medicine, just nothing to do with ME/CFS so I wondered if those families could continue to see him for "non" ME/CFS issues but then ask any questions that they needed.

ETA: I thought they had split his license into two parts (a regular pediatrician and an ME/CFS specialist) and that he could still practice general medicine, just not in his specialty. But I may be misunderstanding this completely.

You can be sure his practice will be scrutinized from now on. He has probably been for quite a while. I wonder who complained, you know?

 

[daisybell]

You can be sure his practice will be scrutinized from now on. He has probably been for quite a while. I wonder who complained, you know?

It is quite easy to discover who made this complaint.... Nothing to SMILE about...

 

[SilverbladeTE]

I guess I was just shocked as if I was reading about something happening in Iraq or Afghanistan vs. the UK. It's hard to comprehend not ever having lived there but I do not doubt it at all. Just very sad.

Evil is a non-discriminatory employer :/
we always assume terrible things happen "somewhere else" but truth is, it's everywhere
but, so is "good"

 

[taniaaust1]

Of course and I get that part, sorry for being unclear. I thought the ruling said that he could practice general medicine, just nothing to do with ME/CFS so I wondered if those families could continue to see him for "non" ME/CFS issues but then ask any questions that they needed.

ETA: I thought they had split his license into two parts (a regular pediatrician and an ME/CFS specialist) and that he could still practice general medicine, just not in his specialty. But I may be misunderstanding this completely.

No he cant by the court order as its forbading him contact with ME/CFS patients so he wouldnt even be able to see ones with this diagnoses even if for other things.

This all reminds me of what Dr Sarah Myhill went throu over and over, loosing her right to even practice at times before winning court cases time and time again to be allowed to practice again. Compared to what Dr Sarah Myhill has been thou, Im sad to say he's got off lightly.

 

[Gingergrrl]

Evil is a non-discriminatory employer :/
we always assume terrible things happen "somewhere else" but truth is, it's everywhere
but, so is "good"

I didn't mean a group of people or a place were evil, versus that the way this was handled sounds like a system from a third world country in another time period vs. modern day UK. I think that is what shocked me.

 

[Gingergrrl]

Compared to what Dr Sarah Myhill has been thou, Im sad to say he's got off lightly.

I didn't realize this (although I knew she had to go to court and couldn't practice for a while, I admit I do not know the details.) Can he be represented by her attorney if her case was more severe but she ultimately was allowed to practice and lecture again? (Or at least I assume she is since she is now writing ME/CFS related books?)

 

[sarah darwins]

Please also understand that these restrictions even extend to preventing me speaking or lecturing on the subject of ME.

I'm absolutely disgusted. This can't be allowed to stand.

 

[Chrisb]

It maybe that this is payback time and the settling of old scores. There is clearly some history involved here. It would be interesting to know where other paediatricians stood on former debates. Thinking of no one in particular.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2007/dec/09/comment.childprotection

The fact that the tribunal refused to deal with the matter on a voluntary basis, presumably by way of formal undertakings, and instead insisted on making an order despite insufficient evidence to make other than an interim order is highly suggestive of point making.

 

[SilverbladeTE]

I didn't mean a group of people or a place were evil, versus that the way this was handled sounds like a system from a third world country in another time period vs. modern day UK. I think that is what shocked me.

oh no worries it's just I've not had any illusions on such because of family's personal history
I won't watch that "Downtown Abbey" because the reality of many of the noble houses was something that makes "Game of Thrones", look ordered, asexual, honest and and calm!

 

[charles shepherd]

I won't now be around till Tuesday night

Before I depart for Oxford I will just add that I spoke to Nigel on the phone this morning and told him about the enormous amount of support for him that is appearing on social media

He asked me to thank everyone for the kind messages of support and offers of help - all very much appreciated in the current situation!

Dr Charles Shepherd
Hon Medical Adviser, MEA

 

[olliec]

I'm so frustrated by this news. These poor kids who will lose support because of a professional spat. Hopefully a coordinated response will allow patients to offer support to Dr Speight in some way.

I wanted to post and ask if anyone can please help expand the MEpedia page on Dr Speight and his work so we have a full record for anyone wanting to learn more about him. The page already includes many of his talks & interviews, but I am sure there is more to add.

http://me-pedia.org/wiki/Nigel_Speight

 

[eafw]

Please also understand that these restrictions even extend to preventing me speaking or lecturing on the subject of ME.

This is appalling. Absolutely draconian and unnecessary. Have signed the card - nearly 700 messages so far.