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German Medical Association and H1N1Vaccine

Discussion in 'General ME/CFS News' started by liverock, Nov 4, 2009.

  1. liverock

    liverock Senior Member

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    thanks!

    Thanks, Liverock! don't know where you found this, but it gives more info than I have seen elsewhere, and helped me make up my mind--not for me! Best, Chris
  3. Robin

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    The American vaccines are made by different companies, none of them include squalene.

    And some of the stuff about thimerisol in that article (it sets off autoimmune disease) is unsubstantiated, as the the point about the vaccine being more dangerous than swine flu for people with AIDS. (huh? how do they know that?) There has been a lot of research on squalene, and it doesn't cause squalene antibodies or Gulf War Syndrome. The blog is from the German Professional Association of Environmental Medicine, not the German Medical Association. So, they're going to come out against vaccines, but, they should at least provide sources for their claims.
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    The chairman of The German Medical Association drug commission doesnt think the drugs safety has been established and reckons the government has been railroaded by the pharma companies who have initiated a scare to raise profits.

    http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/339/oct21_2/b4335

  5. Robin

    Robin Guest

    that's a much different article

    Thanks for clarifying. Concerns about inadequate safety testing of adjuvants in different demographics, issues of cost and liability are much different than the other post!
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    Robin

    Thanks for the assurance about US vaccines not having squalene. Some people have asked me this question on other forums and I was not aware of this fact.

    Dr Charles Lapp, the CFS doctor, gives the following advice to his patients about whether or not to take the H1N1 vaccine.

    http://www.drlapp.net/resources.htm

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    "We do NOT consider the immune system in CFS/ME to be compromised to the point of being high risk unless there is a history of frequent viral infections and/or pneumonia."

    Well, that's me. I get frequent viral infections, one on top of the other all year round every year now.

    Thanks for the info about the vaccines for H1N1.

    tee
  8. Robin

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    No problem! Squalene is derived from shark liver oil, so if you're into supplements and concerned about squalene, you might want to avoid that.

    Thanks for the advice from Dr. Lapp. I'd like to know why he thinks PWCs don't respond to vaccines? (and then recommends them to high risk patients?) I'll send him an email! Very interesting, thanks.
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    H1N1 Vaccine

    Hi,

    I remember when my sister-in-law, an MS patient, was trying to get some kind of vaccination and she said that they gave it to her more than once but it wasn't working because she made antibodies to everything? She was a nurse/office manager of a doctor's office. I can't remember how she knew this?

    I got the H1N1 vaccine this morning in Georgia. My CFS doctor first told me not to get it and then remembered I had asthma and a tendency to asthmatic bronchitis and then told me to get it. My pain specialist did the same thing - first no and then yes. I have not had a problem with asthmatic bronchitis since I got CFS - I am one who has not really been "sick" since I was diagnosed. My immune system appears to be "upticked". I have shortness of breath but I believe it is a symptom of CFS while my non believing allergist calls it asthma. But since I have been hospitalized in the past for asthmatic bronchitis I decided to get the vaccine. Because I did not think I would be able to get it before I went to DC (afraid of catching something on the airplane) I got the regular flu shot and a pneumonia shot. So far nothing has bothered me except my sore left arm!

    This morning I took my "handy seat" cane and as I headed toward the back of an enormous line (3 hours maybe) a health worker grabbed me and escorted me inside. My husband and I were in and out in under 30 minutes. So take a cane if you decide to get the shot.

    TeaBisquit at ProHealth has been posting about her 2 week battle with the swine flu. It really continues to be an ordeal with her and her lungs have been severely impacted. Her story convinced me to get the shot.

    I will update this if I have any reaction to the vaccine.

    srmny
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  11. Robin

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    Because some Canadian researchers have an unpublished study that shows a seasonal flu vaccines might make people more vulnerable to swine flu.

    More about it.

    A number of influenza and infectious diseases experts know of but are unwilling to speak publicly about the paper. But several were quick to note that British and Australian researchers haven't seen the phenomenon either. The lack of corroboration in other jurisdictions is "a red flag," said one expert, who believes the findings will be shown to be due to a study flaws.

    Another flu expert who was willing to speak on the record said they do not make sense to him either.

    "I cannot think of a good reason why this is biologically likely, especially since we have sufficient evidence now that ... there is priming in the population by the way the vaccine is working," said Dr. Arnold Monto, of the University of Michigan.

    He was referring to the fact that studies of swine flu vaccine show a single dose induces a strong and likely protective response in teens and adults. That suggests humankind's long exposure to seasonal H1N1 viruses has "primed" or awakened our immune systems to recognize the new virus and fight it off.

    Dr. Donald Low, chief microbiologist at Toronto's Mount Sinai Hospital, was reserving judgment on the findings. But he said this kind of effect of previous exposure raising the risk of future illness is seen in some diseases, like dengue fever.

    "We don't see that in flu," Monto countered.

    Low said it is important to get to the bottom of the issue, but in the meantime, delaying the use of seasonal flu vaccine makes sense for logistical reasons. Swine flu activity is on the upswing in the U.S. and in parts of British Columbia, and focusing on speeding delivery of that vaccine makes more sense now, he said.

    "If we're going to try to protect people, this is the virus we should be trying to protect them against," Low said, suggesting decisions on whether to try to vaccinate against seasonal flu can be done later in the season.

    He admitted the controversy could undermine the public's willingness to be vaccinated against influenza.

    "This is obviously difficult for public to be able to digest this," he said. "There's a crying need here for a prospective randomized controlled study."

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