General Election in the UK- will it change Anything?

[alex3619]

As I see it all this is an expected political outcome following a major crisis. People are shocked or frightened, and extreme conservative parties or candidates offer simple quick fixes. Yet such fixes almost never work.

Its not just the UK that may face this. Australia seems to be heading down a similar path, though perhaps where the UK was five or ten years ago.

Sometimes though this results in extreme socialist swings. So we can wind up with extreme right and left wing governments over most of the world. Moderates tend not to offer simplistic quick fixes so much, and so are less popular in these situations.

In time the world wakes up and there is a correction, but time is not a friend to the sick and disabled.

 

[bertiedog]

I agree with @alex3619 all this is due to the very difficult times but my worry is the nationalism it has unleashed in the United Kingdom. The Tories have very cleverly used the Scottish Nationalists success into English votes for the English only, they waited only a matter of hours to start talking about this after the Scottish Referendum result last year which they only won due to Labour's efforts.

To me this really showed what a bunch of shits the Tories are, talk about stabbing people in the back. They showed this again when on the last day of Parliament they did their best to get rid of the Speaker, John Bercow who although a Tory they cannot stand, but thankfully they lost.

If we go on down this path we will no longer be a United Kingdom and I don't see how the Tories have got the skills to stop this from happening. I suppose it depends on how many English nationalists there are as part of the Tory party who want to exploit the Scottish situation.

Personally I feel we should give all powers to the Scots including managing all their financial affairs so if they mess it up it would be their problem and not that of the rest of the UK. I don't actually see why the Barnet formula gives more money per population to the Scots than to the English, it really doesn't seem very fair.

Pam

 

[SilverbladeTE]

Bertiedog
you have been conned by the lies form the Right wing press
Scotland gives more money to the UK than it receives, for years the people of Scotland have been denigrated in attacks by Murdoch's press that would be cause for actual criminal charges if we were a "race".
if you wish I can get the info on this, it's another huge scandal.

We are constantly forced to endure governments we did not elect.
Elsewhere that's usually a cause for war.

We are forced to house nuclear weapon store and arming within 25 miles of our largest city
The submarine berth is *NEXT* to our capitol city.
Convoys carrying three nuclear weapons go through our roads and through Glasgow every month.
They have PRIVATIZED the hydrogen bomb store at Coulport. Even the Americans thought that was insane.
200 H-bombs minus the 48 that g out on regular patrol, if there is a serious accident there, it will contaminate Glasgow, or in worse case, kill every living thing as far away as York in England.
Arseholes who scream that Britain needs nukes make damn sure they don't have them any where near them!
It's too long to go into but nukes are useless, they are jus giant psychological tools to cow the Public.
They have no military value whatsoever, in fact, they are proverbial "albatrosses around the neck".

We have huge oil reserves in the West coast, these were prevented from being worked because of those submarines.
Numerous fishing trawlers have been dragged down and their crews killed by those subs.
Cover up after cover up about it.

We have diamond and uranium deposits here. They were bought up and prevented form being worked ot keep the prices artificially high and prevent Scotland gaining wealth/power.
That is also why they have covered up for decades ONSHORE oil deposits.
Those vermin in Westminster feared us daring to think we could go independent.

In 1979, we had a referendum for independence, we WON it, but those Westminster scum changed the requirements so they said it was a "no"!

And I could go on at length.
We have very, very good reasons to be PISSED OFF at the British system.

 

[deleder2k]

But you chose to stay in the union now, didn't you? You could have left it.

 

[SilverbladeTE]

Wildcat only touches on a fraction of the evils.

MI5, our internal security system, knew that a children's home in Northern Ireland was being used by rich/powerful child abusers, they had the run of the place and pick of the children...
MI5 instead of arresting (their duty) or shooting the vermin, recorded the abuse sessions, for political blackmail.
This is NOT conspiracy theory it's recorded FACT that has been brought up in Parliament since the 1980s and constantly covered up

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-28597343

And that is not the only case, far far from it, HUNREDS of children's homes and other institutions were used like "salad bars for perverts" where they could do anything they wished.
In Parliament, an MP has stated that the victims number TENS OF THOUSANDS
And we also now know, many people who tried ot expose this were assassinated again not "conspiracy theory" (though it once was, as usual many folk don't have a damn clue how dirty the system is) but is now the basis for numerous police investigations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jersey_child_abuse_investigation_2008
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ered-MP-says-men-poised-lift-lid-scandal.html

There was an infamous case of a Scottish independence activist, who's death was ruled "suicide" even though it was physically impossible for it to have been self inflicted
and surprise surprise, it turns out he was going to expose these monsters and then he somehow shot himself in the head in the middle of nowhere, and managed to throw the gun out the window of his car, a window that was rolled up until only a 2 inch gap remained, and the gun somehow ended up 60' away behind him.
and like an infamous US case, somehow he was supposed to have shot himself twice in the head with a REVOLVER?! (and a .45 at that, it would have blown his brains to mulch with the first hit)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_MacRae

And then there's this
In middle is Jimmy Saville, a celebrity who raped thousands of children, his activities covered up and protected by a web of people of power.
On right is Thomas Hamilton, paedophile whom the cops tried to prosecute and take his guns off him, but he had protection form powerful people, it's suspected he procured pictures and children for them.
One day he took his guns to a school and shot 16 little kids and himself
as usual the government blamed guns and not the sicko or whoever let him keep the guns when he was a known pervert, and the government had handguns banned in the UK, then had the records sealed for 100 years (which is almost unheard of in Scottish law)
At best prince Charles's aides failed in their duties letting him associate with such people.

 

[Esther12]

Scotland gives more money to the UK than it receives, for years the people of Scotland have been denigrated in attacks by Murdoch's press that would be cause for actual criminal charges if we were a "race".

Murdoch's been pretty supportive of the SNP in Scotland, while using it to scare voters away from Labour in England. Murdoch's been particularly keen on Salmond and that doesn't fill me with confidence.

 

[SilverbladeTE]

But you chose to stay in the union now, didn't you? You could have left it.

1) The Westminster parties sent letters and phoned pensioners claiming they'd lose their pensions if Scotland left the Union

2) There is evidence of ballot fraud

3) Again I am sick of clue less people saying I'm a conspiracy theorist when they have no understanding, and I get proved right time after time....
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/julian-assange-says-snp-right-be-concerned-about-mi5-spying-1496574
MI5 will do ANYTHING to keep the power and pensions they crave, if they let children be raped by the thousands, is anyone so clueless to think they'd damn well mess with elections, hm?

4) Rupert Murdoch's media empire constant lies and propaganda, a constant bombard of it, which should be illegal as that's not "free press" that's "most of the press owned by one scumbag who must do what he tells them"
and many of their stories were proven outright lies

etc

 

[SilverbladeTE]

Esther

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelvin_MacKenzie

MacKenzie made a series of attacks on the people of Scotland in 2007, although he is partly of Scottish descent – his grandfather was from Stirling.[47] In addition, his three names are all Scottish in origin. Kelvin is the name of one of the rivers that runs through Glasgow, Calder is the name of a river in the Highlands and the surname MacKenzie derives from the Scottish Gaelic "Mac Coinnich" meaning son of Coinneach, a Highland clan.
In July 2006, MacKenzie wrote a column for the Sun newspaper referring to Scots as 'Tartan Tosspots' and apparently rejoicing in the fact that Scotland has a lower life expectancy than the rest of the United Kingdom. MacKenzie's column provoked a storm of protest, and was heavily condemned by numerous commentators including Scottish MPs and MSPs.[25]
Question Time[edit]

This section of a biographical article needs additional citations for verification. Please help by adding reliable sources. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately, especially if potentially libelous or harmful. (June 2010)
On 11 October 2007, MacKenzie appeared on the BBC's Question Time TV programme and launched another attack on Scotland. During a debate about tax, MacKenzie claimed that:
Scotland believes not in entrepreneurialism like London and the south east... Scots enjoy spending [money] but they don't enjoy creating it, which is the opposite to down south.[48]
The comments came as part of an attack on Prime Minister Gordon Brown who MacKenzie said could not be trusted to manage the British economy because he was "a socialist Scot",[49] and insisting that this was relevant to the debate. Fellow panellist Chuka Umunna from the think tank Compass called his comments "absolutely disgraceful", and booing and jeering were heard from the Cheltenham studio audience. The BBC received around 200 complaints[50] and MacKenzie's comments drew widespread criticism – notably from the high-profile Scottish entrepreneur Duncan Bannatyne who responded on BBC Radio 5 Live:
It is plainly wrong for MacKenzie to assert that Scottish people do not understand business and enterprise. There are some phenomenal Scottish entrepreneurs, I could name so many. I think Kelvin MacKenzie is a raving lunatic, I think he's a complete idiot and a racist idiot at that.[

and that's just him, they have two versions of the Sun, England and Scotland, and over the years the attacks and sheer nastiness against us in the English version and Murdoch's other papers has been outrageous

why when MacKenzie and Murdoch are both of Scottish decent?
because the Scots are intrinsically SOCIALIST, we don't want to be part of the sick bloody Empire of England and the USA, we don't want their mad nuclear weapons, we don't want to be dragged into their constant war of lies to steal poor folk's resources etc.

Murdoch only changed his tune when he saw how popular the SNP were getting, that's all he cares about, keeping power/influence so the "Scottish" version of the Sun recently turned to support the SNP after attacking it for years
but the English Sun still pits England vs Scotland.

oh and remember the Phone Hacking affair?
ah yes, only the minions are found guilty, get minimal sentences for crimes that would get anyone else 15 years
and surprise surprise, the head honcho woman, who was David Cameron's personal friend, is found not guilty and gets a £16 million bonus from Murdoch!
who'd a thunk it!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...g-Brookss-home-hours-not-guilty-verdicts.html


So, why does ANYONE believe the media Murdoch, or the literally evil British system and it's rulers?
sigh :/

 

[Esther12]

Murdoch only changed his tune when he saw how popular the SNP were getting, that's all he cares about, keeping power/influence so the "Scottish" version of the Sun recently turned to support the SNP after attacking it for years
but the English Sun still pits England vs Scotland.

I don't know about that. I think it's quite possible that Murdoch saw encouraging the rise of the SNP as a useful way of preventing a Labour majority and promoting English nationalism.

 

[SilverbladeTE]

I don't know about that. I think it's quite possible that Murdoch saw encouraging the rise of the SNP as a useful way of preventing a Labour majority and promoting English nationalism.

oh yeah he'd play both ends against the middle, he's an utter scumbag, people don't realize how dangerous and evil he is :/

this was the same newspaper that he owns, English on the left, Scottish on right
on one part of it runs the fear headline against scots running the country
and yet in the Scottish version it's equating the SNP and leader to the Rebel alliance in Star Wars

the utter hypocrisy of the bastards, before the referendum imploring Scotland to stay with the Empire that's screwed it's people crossways for centuries
and then when they got the result the Empire wanted, "how dare the Scots think they should have a say at Westminster!"

Why so many people in England keep supporting the system that rapes their children, sends them out to die across the world for wars over lies, is destroying the NHS etc etc I don't know! :/

 

[Marco]

Any chance of a little moderation on this thread folks?

 

[MeSci]

oh yeah he'd play both ends against the middle, he's an utter scumbag, people don't realize how dangerous and evil he is :/

this was the same newspaper that he owns, English on the left, Scottish on right
on one part of it runs the fear headline against scots running the country
and yet in the Scottish version it's equating the SNP and leader to the Rebel alliance in Star Wars

the utter hypocrisy of the bastards, before the referendum imploring Scotland to stay with the Empire that's screwed it's people crossways for centuries
and then when they got the result the Empire wanted, "how dare the Scots think they should have a say at Westminster!"

Why so many people in England keep supporting the system that rapes their children, sends them out to die across the world for wars over lies, is destroying the NHS etc etc I don't know! :/

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It seems logical for Murdoch to support the SNP in Scotland, as they mainly take votes from Labour, don't they? The smallest parties would not have had enough votes to help Labour form a coalition even if it had been a close thing between Labour and the Tories, and as the LibDems propped up the Tories last time it was perhaps assumed that they would be likely to do the same again.

 

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