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Funny short video about ME by Iannucci Armando

Discussion in 'Action Alerts and Advocacy' started by Joh, Sep 15, 2017.

  1. Joh

    Joh Inactivist

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    Disclaimer: If you're religious, this video might offend you. It's about Jesus and ME.

    I found this video a few days ago (listed on MEpedia) and it's so funny, it made me cry tears from laughter (what rarely happens these days). I think it's one of those videos that even gets funnier the more often you watch it (it's only 1:30 min.) and look at the mimic of our protagonist. How he's so hopeful and happy in the beginning and later dies a little inside when they're told to spread the word.

    It's old (16 years?) but I haven't heard of it before and it never came up in my countless google searches. Looked for it on PR and @Esther12 recommended it a few years ago, but it's buried in an old and long thread so I thought it deserves some new attention. I post it on the advocacy thread (and translated it into German) because I think funny videos are advocacy tools, too.

    I don't know Iannucci Armando and the first time I watched it, I actually wasn't quite sure if the video might be making fun of pwme. But then I watched it again and checked how the pwme is presented - he's polite, factual, has dark rings under his eyes, is happy for the others, is the only one humbly folding his hands, doesn't "jump the queue" like others - he's clearly the good guy here. :)

    Hope it brings you some laughter, too!
     
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    Cheesus Senior Member

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    Armando Iannuci is hilarious. He wrote The Thick of It, which is a comedy set in British government. If you liked this, I highly recommend you check it out. I think it might be on Netflix.
     
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    hellytheelephant Senior Member

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    Hilarious!!! He did a very funny radio show called ' On the Hour' which is a spoof of a news programme. It also features Steve Coogan as Alan Partridge, who you might have heard of. It was years before the mockumentary like The Office took off.
     
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    British comedy is great, love it and Armando Iannucci is a genius. Thank you for this, I am a big fan of Armando Iannucci and I haven't seen this before.
     
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    NelliePledge plodder

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    Thanks. Clearly wasn't the real Jesus either White or Sharpe in disguise..........
     
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  6. Joh

    Joh Inactivist

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    One question - when I made the translation, I didn't know what to make of "reception" (only know the ones in a hotel). At first I thought it would be a waiting room at a doctor's office (with a reception). But then I changed my translation to "office" because it rather seems like they're at work (all wearing suits, not everybody is ill...). Do you know what reception means here?
     
  7. Esther12

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    Thanks @Joh - in case of interest, I think that show was actually from 2001.
     
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  8. Joh

    Joh Inactivist

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    Thanks for the info @Esther12! Good to know. I edited the title and my text.
     
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  9. Joh

    Joh Inactivist

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    @Esther12, do you or anybody else know if Armando has any relation to ME or what prompted him to make the video and if he spoke about ME ever again?
     
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    Am I the only one feeling a little uneasy about this video ?

    ''Yeah, well we all get a little bit tired''

    I enjoy a chuckle more than most, but this felt intensely uncomfortable to me. It bothers me that this will reinforce the notion that ME is about tiredness. And those that haven't heard about ME will take some persuading that this is a life threatening illness with devastating consequences.

    Perhaps were this illness understood to the extent that the Wessely narrative be redundant, my musings might me different.

    How would we all feel if other comedians did the same, and told jokes about us being tired, sleepy, lazy, recluse, complaining........

    Make fun of me all they want, but at least get the facts right, no ?
     
  11. TiredSam

    TiredSam The wise nematode hibernates

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    Empfangsbereich? Even in an office, visitors have to report somewhere, and this looks like the place.
     
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    Sorry but there is no need or reason to feel uneasy.

    The whole point of the video is that line because it's so ridiculous.

    If someone watches that video and thinks ME is just tiredness they won't even get the joke, in fact the joke is on them.
    Nobody is making jokes about us here, they are mocking anyone who believes ME is tiredness.
     
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    Thanks! Good idea, but wrote "Büro" because the cuts are so fast that "Empfangsbereich" doesn't really fit (and was afraid "Empfang" would sound like the festivity). But it's good to know that they're supposed to be in an office setting (vs a doctors office like I thought at first). Makes our ME patient even look more heroic that he still drags himself to work. :)
     
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    At first I was going to reply with "Oh for god's sake!" But on a 2nd take I will give a more considered reply. To anyone with ME or who knows anyone with ME, it comes across (apparently) clearly as a sardonic swipe at the misunderstanding and mistreatment of PwME. But on the other hand, if I were someone who believes all the guff about PwME and none of the truth, this could just as easily come across as lampooning PwME, and reinforcing all lies (but which they believe to be the truth). If a group of disbelievers watched this down the pub one night, they would probably all roll around laughing at how if anyone knows the truth jesus would. It's actually a very ambiguous bit of humour. Do we know which meaning is really intended?
     
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    I think Reception is right. In most larger companies etc. visitors are told to report to Reception when they arrive.
     
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  16. TiredSam

    TiredSam The wise nematode hibernates

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    This is very similar to a German joke where jesus walks into a pub, cures 2 blokes as in the video, then walks up to a third bloke who says "get away, I've got a six-week sick note!"

    I once told this joke in the evening of one of my English courses to a dinner table full of union representatives from a manufacturing company. It was met with complete silence and a few frowns. In the distance, I think I heard a cricket.
     
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    @TiredSam to what did you attribute the silence and frowns; too little understanding, or too much?
     
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    Exactly the question I was working up to, but expressed much more clearly :)
     
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    I'm sure that the intended meaning is to point out the mistreatment and prejudices against ME.

    The person with ME is still going to work (not sitting at an doctor's office, malingering and collecting disability money - like me I must add :)), he's the most polite ("Lord Jesus", the others use "Jesus" or no salutation) and most factual (the others use words like "terrible" to exaggerate), has dark rings under his eyes (so really looking unwell), is happy for the others, is the only one humbly folding his hands, doesn't "jump the queue" like others. He's portrayed as the nicest guy of them and not at all whiney. He doesn't protest or act out when he is rejected but is admirable self-disciplined and calm.

    And the fact that ME is contrasted with a hangover and Jesus is extremely empathetic with that is another clue for me. And that the woman says her hands get worse "with stress". And not being able to play rugby. These examples make it somehow clear to me but I find it hard to put into English words at the moment.

    I believe if it was intended to mock ME patients he would have jumped the queue (like the rugby guy who starts talking before he's in the picture), he would have exaggerated ("terrible"), been whiney or nervous. And would have been contrasted with people with cancer and life-threatening diseases.
     
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    Probably true. But I still think those subtleties would be completely lost on the drinkers in my example.
     
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