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Fruit, or No Fruit for Candida Issues?

Discussion in 'The Gut: De Meirleir & Maes; H2S; Leaky Gut' started by Viking, Nov 20, 2014.

  1. Viking

    Viking

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    For me, fruit seems to grow yeast rapidly , but starches, such as rice or corn etc, do not.

    This seems to go against the usual theories, such as the GAPS diet, that avoids larger carbohydrates in favor of fruit. ( GAPS theory argues anything thats a disaccharide or larger is avoided , due to loss of brush border enzymes, and hence one cannot split the larger carbs and they then stay in the bowel as food for pathogens. )

    Does anyone have any thoughts on why fruit would be an issue, but not starches?

    Regards,
    Viking
     
  2. Martial

    Martial Senior Member

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    Are you sure its yeast flaring or possibly not just fructose intolerance?
     
  3. Viking

    Viking

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    The CDSA and symptoms indicated yeast.. but what would fructose intolerance look like? And what causes it?
     
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    @Viking my experience is like yours, fruit in excess causes worsening candida symptoms, starches don't. I can "get away with" small amounts of fruit, but not more than a bite or so per day.

    I have read dozens of experiences of other people online while experimenting on myself over time. Now and then I read about someone improving their candida symptoms despite eating fruit, but not often, and those people are almost always also taking some antifungals.

    More often I find stories from people who avoid fruit, eat starch, take antifungals (sometimes simple natural antifungals), and sometimes heal themselves.... But some failures in this camp too, just, it seems, somewhat fewer failures than in the "eat fruit" camp.

    You asked why...well, from what I understand, starches break down in the gut into glucose, slowly, and do not contain any fructose. Versus fruit, which is fructose, not glucose. Yet I failed the test shown in the following paragraph, and yet I CAN eat starches, which supposedly break down into glucose. So not sure why.

    A way to test out whether your issues are fructose intolerance, is to get some glucose (also called dextrose). It contains no fructose at all. It is immediately available to microbes in the stomach and first part of the intestine, unlike (theoretically) starches - which take time to be broken into glucose lower in the gut. Eat some of the glucose/dextrose, and if you get problems, the problems are from some bad organism that can eat glucose, not from fructose inotolerance.

    The book "Perfect Health Diet" has a good explanation why eliminating starch from the diet can actually worsen candida problems - the author actually got worse candida while on a paleo low carb diet that had no starches. I think if you go to this page about the book, the search box at top lets you search for the word "candida":
    http://perfecthealthdiet.com/the-diet/

    A couple of threads on related gut remedies:
    http://forums.phoenixrising.me/inde...ge-is-it-the-key-weve-been-looking-for.26976/ (this one is a monster, if you haven't seen it. A nice summary is found at Gestalt's external page, here:
    http://www.gestaltreality.com/2014/02/27/resistant-starch-a-concise-guide/ )

    Gestalt also has a thread on biofilm treatment and candida:
    http://forums.phoenixrising.me/index.php?threads/candida-biofilms-theory-protocol.25472/
     
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  5. Viking

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    Very interesting point about starch breaking down to glucose, as opposed to fuctose from fruits.

    Maybe I lack the transporters required to get fuctose absorbed. I was on incredible amounts of antibiotics, and many disruptions to the gut lining my have occured.

    Regards,
    viking
     
  6. Sherlock

    Sherlock tart cherry etc. for joints, insomnia

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    If you wanted to brew alcohol, you'd choose fruit over grains any day because yeast loves it. If you want to make bread rise more than usual, add sugar because yeast loves it.
     
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  7. Sherpa

    Sherpa Ex-workaholic adrenaline junkie

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    I am the same as @Viking - fruit seems to feed candidia. A piece a day is ok but beyond that is a problem. Starches (sweet potato or rice) in moderation do not seem to aggravate it as much. The Primal Blueprint diet seemed to get my gut issues way down.
     
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  8. Viking

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    From whatI have been reading the past few days, the difference may be in the type of damage to the gut lining. If the lining is damaged in such a way as to impair the brush border enzymes in the small intestine, then starches are a prolblem. because they cant be completely digested, and tthey then feed yeast and bacteria.
    If the intestinal damage is such that fructose transporters (GLUT5) are lost from the gut lining, then fructose becomes an issue, because its not absorbed and stays in the bowel to feed yeast.

    Either situation appears to be driven by dysbiosis and damage from yeast and or bacteria. This was the case with me after countless antibiotics.
     
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    i have dysbiosis and lactose intolerance.. so my gut specialist (who also a naturopath) told me to limit my fruit intake to no more than 2 pieces a day. she did explain the relationship between microvilli in the gut lining being 'knocked off' is similar in nature between lactose and fructose. I don't happen to be gluten intolerant, so she didn't include it.

    I also was told to cut out other sugars. Then I was put on protocol "weed, seed & feed". Weed out the bad flora, seed good flora, and feed the bowel walls". This protocol is done in stages and it seems to work. I've probably had an 80% reduction in irritable bowel symptoms over the past year. I think the key is to design the treatment for your body.. everyone is different. My diet & naturopathic meds were constructed around my food intolerances, in response to the results of medical testing, to starve out bad flora, and to encourage good flora to colonise.
     

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