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From the 1st annual XMRV conference

Discussion in 'XMRV Research and Replication Studies' started by George, Sep 7, 2010.

  1. Sunshine

    Sunshine Senior Member

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    If Huber thinks its contamination, why are the "CFS" samples contaminated at a much higher rate than the controls? As a layperson, I'd think that if contamination was the cause for the positives, then they'd find it at the same rate in both cohorts? It doesn't seem like contamination can select for "sick" people, esp in blinded studies? They are doing the same lab tests on both controls and patients...

    Its a legitimate question.
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    SOC Moderator and Senior Member

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    Fauci is/was a bigwig relying on the info provided by his subordinates. We can certainly be upset with him for not looking into ME/CFS more thoroughly, but that is past. Since he seems to be taking us seriously now, I think I'd avoid making trouble for him at this point. Not all the bad guys are willing to change position as the information changes, so I'm willing to see what he does from here on. In other words, this may not be a good time to "out" him as a bad guy. Careful watching, yes. Taking out, probably not.
  4. Sasha

    Sasha Fine, thank you

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    True, but at least they're painting! :Retro smile:
  5. George

    George waitin' fer rabbits

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    No I've got it on Twitter search, so anybody anywhere who is tweeting #XMRV or #MECFS should show up.
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    pictureofhealth XMRV - L'Agent du Jour

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    This isn't just an accusation toward the WPI bear in mind. Huber has essentially suggested that the Ruscetti's, Silverman and Klein at the NCI, the CC & now Lo/Alter at NIH/FDA have false positives due to contamination, by making these comments. That's a lot of accusations of bad science toward some pretty high profile researchers. Anyway, the PNAS paper specifically took steps to prove no contamination - which I thought had been accepted/proven now.
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    August59 Daughters High School Graduation

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    Could be a good idea to add "HMRV" to the search!!!
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    VillageLife Senior Member

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    Hopefully we will learn more news tonight at the live Q&A!
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    julius Watchoo lookin' at?

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    A lot of hubris from Huber.
  10. pictureofhealth

    pictureofhealth XMRV - L'Agent du Jour

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    Not sure I can stay up that late (UK time). May have to wait to find out til tomorrow.
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    That's what I have been thinking and posted before. Since I don't know exact protocols, I can't be sure of the logic but sure makes sense to me. It would be a strange pattern of contamination--at least from my limited knowledge. I wish someone that knew more could address this.
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    Not infuriating for this viewer. Brigitte Huber was not given the opportunity during the round table discussion to report her findings.

    Science is difficult and complex and confounding.

    Don't make cheap jibes at the expense of a gifted researcher.
  13. pine108kell

    pine108kell Senior Member

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    Thanks for clearing up what is really going on.
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    Ladies ladies...put those handbags away...we are all in this together remember ;)
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    She's just reporting her research... Even negative studies can be helpful in understanding the process of finding HMRV's...
    But I think we can safely ignore Hubers negative findings like everyone at the conference will... The important thing at this stage is who can find the viruses, and how.
    So, I personally don't think we need to feel antagonised by Brigitte Huber, although I am surprised that she is persisting in presenting her negative study... but that scientific ego for you!


    Just because Huber's own lab is contaminated, it doesn't mean that anyone else's lab is contaminated.
    Contamination is a non-issue for the Science and PNAS studies... Alter, Lo and Mikovits know that, so we don't need to worry about Huber's contaminated lab.
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    I am correct in saying, Huber hasn't still got her research published, after announcing it in May?! Says everything really.
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    anyone who saw the conference on dvd with Dr. Brigitte Huber, will understand! ;)
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    If you would like to explain how human antibodies to XMRV are detected in CFS patients, please go ahead?
    (Antibodies are impossible to be detected in human blood to a contaminant though, so don't go ahead actually).

    Perhaps you are more learned than Switzer from the CDC who designed and built his own test for Mikovits to pass, which she did.

    Yup, Sam from Phoenix Rising knows more than the CDC about contamination, and believes that culture cell growth and antibodies are a sign of contamination in CFS patients.

    Which is the reverse of what Cort has told us about. So you know more than Cort as well, on his own forum. Samantha, you are a superstar!!!

    P.S Please photograph your copy of the DVD where you say Brigitte wasn't given a chance to speak at the investinME conference (which is a cheap jibe and the gifted film maker who recorded it for CFS patients to watch), I can and will upload it. Can you? If you cannot, it appears you may be confused over what the DVD is, and its contents. and thus probably shouldn't speak any more on the matter if you are not in ownership of the film, and thus cannot support your claims that anyone else who's watched the video knows are invalid.
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    You go girl...I love these days when tensions are heightened...almost makes this illness worthwile, like a soap opera that's being lived out in the real world...it's going to make a great movie one day!!!
  20. julius

    julius Watchoo lookin' at?

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    Guys, this is gonna get out of control. Please stop.

    I really want to follow this thread.

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