Forget rituximab! The DWP can cure you at the Job Centre!

[Effi]

Is this the same 'Beverly' who was cured of her epilepsy? Her hair is a different colour but she looks and sounds the same. This story is very different.

They don't seem like the same person to me... (They have a slightly different accent too.) The thing that strikes me is that 'David' doesn't speak of physical illness at all. He talks about low self-esteem, anxiety, etc. That seems acceptable I think. The tricky part is that they are offering this at job centres, to people on benefits. So it's not unbiased, and people could feel pressured into saying that it's worked like a charm.

 

[Scarecrow]

Is this the same 'Beverly' who was cured of her epilepsy? Her hair is a different colour but she looks and sounds the same. This story is very different.

It's possible to be raped (twice) and also to have epilepsy. Note that she did NOT say in the news clip that she no longer has epilepsy.

Edited: @Effi is absolutely correct - not the same woman.

Edited again: oh, doubt's creeping in. If it is the same woman, that clip is years older than the news report.

 

[A.B.]

These faith healing approaches that claim to work via positive thinking have been around for a long time.

Émile Coué de la Châtaigneraie (French: [emil kue də la ʃɑtɛɲʁɛ]; 26 February 1857 – 2 July 1926) was a French psychologist and pharmacist who introduced a popular method of psychotherapy and self-improvement based on optimistic autosuggestion.[1]

The application of his mantra-like conscious autosuggestion, "Every day, in every way, I'm getting better and better" (French: Tous les jours à tous points de vue je vais de mieux en mieux) is called Couéism or the Coué method.[3] Some American newspapers quoted it differently, "Day by day, in every way, I'm getting better and better." The Coué method centered on a routine repetition of this particular expression according to a specified ritual—preferably as much as twenty times a day, and especially at the beginning and at the end of each day.[4] When asked whether or not he thought of himself as healer, Coué often stated that "I have never cured anyone in my life. All I do is show people how they can cure themselves." [5] Unlike a commonly held belief that a strong conscious will constitutes the best path to success, Coué maintained that curing some of our troubles requires a change in our unconscious thought, which can be achieved only by using our imagination. Although stressing that he was not primarily a healer but one who taught others to heal themselves, Coué claimed to have effected organic changes through autosuggestion.[3]

While most American reporters of his day seemed dazzled by Coué's accomplishments and did not question the results attributed to his method,[11]), a handful of journalists and a few educators were skeptical. After Coué had left Boston, the Boston Herald waited six months, revisited the patients he had "cured", and found most had initially felt better but soon returned to whatever ailments they previously had.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Émile_Coué

The basic idea here is to influence the perception of the patient and create a false sense of impending improvement. If any improvement occurs, attribute it to the therapy. If improvement fails to occur, attribute it to some personal defect of the patient. And never ever do long term followups or placebo controlled studies

 

[Countrygirl]

I am confused... So in 8 weeks he cures basically any disease? Epilepsy too? I mean, low self esteem, especially in a job seeking context, I totally understand how that could be changed through this course. But physical illness?


But I'm being very sympathetic here... It really sounds like LP got itself a new fancy coat.

As far as I have read so far, the only physical diseases he claims to cure are ME and Fibromyalgia. Funny that!

Yes, it certain sounds like a re-vamp of LP.

Any time now his phone will ring and a voice will say.........'Hi, its Esther and Phil here................'.

 

[Effi]

Émile Coué de la Châtaigneraie (French: [emil kue də la ʃɑtɛɲʁɛ]; 26 February 1857 – 2 July 1926) was a Frenchpsychologist and pharmacist who introduced a popular method of psychotherapy and self-improvement based on optimisticautosuggestion.[1]

ha! how very interesting!

The basic idea here is to influence the perception of the patient and create a false sense of impending improvement. If any improvement occurs, attribute it to the therapy. If improvement fails to occur, attribute it to some personal defect of the patient. And never ever do long term followups or placebo controlled studies

Couldn't have said it any better! It's all about playing into desperate people's hope. One can only sail on hope for so long.

 

[halcyon]

To be fair, I think what the woman said was just very badly phrased.

I don't see how else you could interpret it. She said she'd been on benefits due to epilepsy for 7 years, and after this "that's all changed" which I assume means she's back to work and has no more epilepsy.

 

[halcyon]

They don't seem like the same person to me...

I don't know, I think that's totally the same woman. She has considerably more makeup on in the one video. Look at the hair, styled exactly the same. If you look closely at the teeth they look identical as well.

 

[halcyon]

Also the mole on the left side of her face is clearly visible in both videos.

 

[Scarecrow]

I don't see how else you could interpret it. She said she'd been on benefits due to epilepsy for 7 years, and after this "that's all changed" which I assume means she's back to work and has no more epilepsy.

I've just explained it to you from the point of view of someone with epilepsy. But if you think it's more reasonable to assume that she no longer actually has epilepsy, that's up to you.

 

[Effi]

I don't know, I think that's totally the same woman. She has considerably more makeup on in the one video. Look at the hair, styled exactly the same. If you look closely at the teeth they look identical as well.

Also the mole on the left side of her face is clearly visible in both videos.

I swear I was looking for stuff like that but I couldn't see anything. You probably have better eyes than me
In general I'm not impressed by video reviews made by the same person who's selling the product. I want to see reviews by random people online who have nothing to gain or to loose. But in this case I can't be bothered to look for them really.

 

[halcyon]

I've just explained it to you from the point of view of someone with epilepsy. But if you think it's more reasonable to assume that she no longer actually has epilepsy, that's up to you.

I totally understand what you're saying, but that's not at all how she worded it.

 

[Countrygirl]

I swear I was looking for stuff like that but I couldn't see anything. You probably have better eyes than me
In general I'm not impressed by video reviews made by the same person who's selling the product. I want to see reviews by random people online who have nothing to gain or to loose. But in this case I can't be bothered to look for them really.

That is my point too. I have been wasting my time examining the two videos of Beverley. Yes, for sure it is the same person. She has a large colourless lump on her left cheek in both videos, although it only shows up occasionally in the second one as she is wearing so much makeup. Also when she lists her conditions she mentions anxiety and depression but not epilepsy. Of course she could have been very unfortunate and have epilepsy as well as having been so horribly attacked...........but it seems a bit odd to me. Even if it is true, why couldn't he find another happy client to promote his wares? They must be a bit thin on the ground.

The DWP must be getting desperate.

 

[Scarecrow]

I totally understand what you're saying, but that's not at all how she worded it.

This is what she said:

It's completely changed my life. You know, I've been on benefits for seven years now....I've had epilepsy....and within eight weeks, that's all changed.

So what's changed? Is she no longer on benefits, which is the point of the course and, therefore, the focus of the news story, or does she no longer have epilepsy?

 

[Effi]

The DWP must be getting desperate.

On the positive side, we could say it's nice that they are trying to help certain people. Who knows, maybe this course does help some people get over their low self esteem? If so, that is awesome.

On the negative side, in their eyes this could quickly become the 'easy fix' for any and every ailment. #fail

PS: I used to work in employment services and I know the '85% succes rate' story all too well. It's from a course called 'How to be creative with numbers'. If you know what I mean.

 

[worldbackwards]

On the positive side, we could say it's nice that they are trying to help certain people. Who knows, maybe this course does help some people get over their low self esteem? If so, that is awesome.

The DWP are not trying to help people. They are trying to bully people off of benefits. This, posted elsewhere on here, is a summary of the nasty schemes that people are coerced into.

http://mh.bmj.com/content/41/1/40.full

Apparently, if the expected attitude change is not forthcoming, you can be sanctioned and see how much you like that.

These companies are parasites on the misery of the vulnerable.

 

[halcyon]

So what's changed? Is she no longer on benefits, which is the point of the course and, therefore, the focus of the news story, or does she no longer have epilepsy?

Well, if she was on benefits due to epilepsy, and now she's no longer on benefits, I think it's logical to deduce that she no longer has epilepsy.

It's pointless to argue about this though since she's clearly a paid shill for David Rahman.

 

[alex3619]

From the article, an example of the wit and wisdom of Start Smiling Again's glorious leader:Bloody hell.

Give me the source address and I think I can get it to someone versed in feminist issues.

PS Got the source code, passing it on. Also deleted the image from my quote.

I really need to know where it was originally posted though.

 

[Scarecrow]

It's pointless to argue about this though since she's clearly a paid shill for David Rahman.

I do fear you may be right! If so, that also calls journalistic integrity into question. Aren't they supposed to do basic checks?

 

[Effi]

The DWP are not trying to help people. They are trying to bully people off of benefits. This, posted elsewhere on here, is a summary of the nasty schemes that people are coerced into.

http://mh.bmj.com/content/41/1/40.full

Apparently, if the expected attitude change is not forthcoming, you can be sanctioned and see how much you like that.

These companies are parasites on the misery of the vulnerable.

omg! I was not aware of that! I was trying to see a positive side to it, but skip that! this is indeed a nasty scheme... No wonder these people were being so positive in the video!

I now remember reading about this on PR a couple of weeks ago. I had no idea this was part of that same psychology strategy. It's pretty gruesome when you think about it. Brings back memories of Spanish Inquisition type episodes in history, but instead of physical torture it's psychological torture...

 

[SilverbladeTE]

can't wait until the DWP decides they need we need to go to specialist therapy centres, since centralized care is more cash efficient.
"Better living with your groovy gulag!"

I can just see it now, bunch of M.E. patients belting out, or wheezing, in sing-along fun!
"Springtime for...."