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First Ebola patient in the U.S.

taniaaust1

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I read a very good article recently in the Scientific American (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/ebola-doctor-reveals-how-infected-americans-were-cured/) which states that the principal reason for the high mortality from ebola is the lack of adequate health care in countries where it is most lethal. The article stated that many of the deaths could have been prevented with fluid and electrolyte monitoring and replacement and also with supplemental protein - pretty basic stuff here in the U.S. And it's not easy to contract - you have to be in direct contact with blood and bodily fluids.

Doctors without Borders were doing IVs and rehydration but their death rate according to those working there (if you read their workers blogs or worker interviews in news reports) were 74-78% were fatalities!! (depending on which story was read, when the report was). . Without good hydration thou fatalities of this strain can be as high as 90%

Its more likely to be the blood transfusions of previously infected ones ie getting the antibodies to Ebola, given currently in America which has saved the American health workers . They did this for at least 2 of them.. the first American patient got given blood from a previously affected African boy and the third affected American patient got blood given from the first affected American patient for Ebola antibodies.. they were actually friends so he offered his blood to the other (that poor latest infected person obviously wasnt made the same offer).

While with another one of the infected international people who survived .. an infected UK Ebola person was involved in the blood exchange and someone was flown from one country to another country to give the blood (either to or it was from the UK).

This method got used in one of the early Ebola outbreaks (one i think which was in the 1970s?) on 8 infected people and it saved most of those treated by it. (I cant remember now if it saved 6/8 or all 8/8 but anyway it worked quite well.. and they gave this same treatment to those Americans who survived).
 
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adreno

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While ebola can spread through droplets, if you stand more than 1m away, you will like be fine.

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http://virologydownunder.blogspot.se/2014/08/ebola-virus-may-be-spread-by-droplets.html
 

taniaaust1

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I'll try to find the link for the WHO recommendation to heatlh workers which scared me so much as by the picture adreno posted, that would mean they were giving airbourne recommendation for Ebola and not droplet.

lol @ golden yeah people may need that after reading this thread. I currently thou have a bit of a death wish going on so this whole thing is kind of calming to me in a strange way. Ebola is one way to probably end ME.
 

Soundthealarm21

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I'm from Spain and we are not a first world country.

Lately the government has been trying to dismantle the public healthcare, try to privatize some of it and reducing its budget. To treat the two priests infected with ebola that were brought here from Africa they had to reopen a previously closed wing from a hospital (Carlos III hospital). The hospital was NOT ready for this kind of illness.

The "union"(I don't know if this is the proper word in english) of Doctors and nurses complained before bringing the infected people here that they were NOT ready for something like this. Still the government brought them in.

These are some images of the hospital with zones that contain materials that could be infected:https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzSQRPKIQAADFcg.jpg[1] https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzSQRNEIAAARL3s.jpg[2] http://cde.peru.com/ima/0/0/8/7/5/875448/924x530/avion.jpg[3] http://www.abc.es/nacional/MM/201408/06/avionebola--644x362.jpg[4] http://tecnicopreocupado.com/2014/08/10/se-debe-transportar-asi-a-un-infectado-con-ebola/[5] It's in Spanish, but you can just watch the pictures and get an idea, for instance this is the ambulance transporting one of the infected patients: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BubgfEbCYAAf4-_.jpg[6] http://oi57.tinypic.com/sxdngy.jpg[7] http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...pg/330px-Positive-pressure_biosafety_suit.jpg[8] http://politica.elpais.com/politica/2014/10/06/actualidad/1412618449_833358.html[9] the main pics here showing it:http://ep01.epimg.net/politica/imag...12618449_833358_1412618626_noticia_normal.jpg[10]http://ep01.epimg.net/politica/imag...12618449_833358_1412618773_sumario_normal.jpg[11]http://www.eldiario.es/sociedad/carlos_III-ebola-presupuesto-caida_0_308669639.html[12] It's important to note that this is the main hospital in Madrid for research and treatment of diseases like Ebola and such (actually for diseases less deadly and infectuous but still the most important in that regard).

  • The main person in charge of health in Madrid said that all the possible controls to the healthcare employees were being taken to ensure they hadn't contracted the infection. Right after some of the nurses who worked with the infected patients said they undergone NO controls whatsoever:http://www.cuartopoder.es/loszapato...ue-atendieron-el-ebola-estan-controlados/3221[13] It's interesting to note that this seems to have been proven, since the now infected nurse went on vacation the day after she finished treating the patient (the day after the patient died).
  • A nurse in the intensive care unit of the hospital designated to treat new ebola cases tells about the situation in the hospital. To note some things: the government doesn't give all the procedure protocols needed, and those given are modified according to the elements existing in the hospital instead of the one that are actually needed (for instance they need a special kind of room, but since the hospital doesn't have it they simply claim that such a room is NOT needed). Another really funny thing: they had two meetings to teach them how to use the equipment (the suits and such) and the people trying to teach them didn't know how to properly use the suits, so they kept breaking, plus they didn't have material to cover the faces or the feet, so they used plastic bags and such to do so. Link here: http://amenfermerianoticias.wordpre...go-mayor-que-el-ebola-y-esta-tras-el-cristal/[14]
It all keeps showing more and more that we are not prepared for this and instead of trying to do as much as possible to be prepared, the government prefers to look away from the problem and claim that everything is under control.

Also, thanks for the gold stranger.

EDIT 4: In case anyone is interested (and understands Spanish) here's todays press conference of the health minister
[15] https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzS-EpOCAAAaDMR.jpg[16

@taniaaust1

This is directly taken from Reddit written by a Spanish citizen with links provided to Spanish articles that can be translated roughly by google translate on chrome. I think you might find it interesting. The main point to take away in Spain is that their facilities are completely lacking to handle someone with a highly contagious and deadly disease. You mentioned that even though they were wearing hazmat suits the nurse still got ill. It's important to note that these were not the proper suits to be wearing.

But I just thought you, and anyone else, might find this bit interesting in regards to the ebola patient in Spain. It really is very disturbing the ineptitude going on there.
 

Soundthealarm21

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Nielk

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Seriously, worldtruth.tv? Ahem... Okay...

You never heard of them? I haven't either. I don't trust anyone's account on Ebola. There are so many facts that don't add up. I don't think that the official government/CDC line is the truth.
 

Daffodil

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Ebola is not a respiratory virus like SARS or swine flu, but a blood virus more akin to HIV or Hepatitis. You would have to be in very close physical contact with a diseased person to get infected. I think it's right to be concerned, but not panicky about this.

And you think the media downplays this @Daffodil ? On the contrary, they will milk it for every bit of alarmist hype they can...
I think you are wrong on this one. media says its not airborne. if it is not airborne, how did Spanish nurse get it? WHO says it is because she did not have her own breathing apparatus.

how did 1 monkey give monkey-version of ebola to another monkey in a different room? they said it was due to the "forced air" ventilation system.

vaccine won't be ready for a long time...human trials just starting now for the Canadian-made vaccine.

I think people in urban centers like me might be in some real danger pretty soon. and we are immune-compromised!

I would NOT trust any government agency on this one.

maybe there is something we can do to partially protect ourselves, like take liposomal vitamin C or something...

Tania...I think its strange I am not feeling calm by this since I used to be so suicidal, but I guess I must have some real hope of getting well now, since I responded to antibiotics.....
 

adreno

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I think you are wrong on this one. media says its not airborne. if it is not airborne, how did Spanish nurse get it? WHO says it is because she did not have her own breathing apparatus.

how did 1 monkey give monkey-version of ebola to another monkey in a different room? they said it was due to the "forced air" ventilation system.

vaccine won't be ready for a long time...human trials just starting now for the Canadian-made vaccine.

I think people in urban centers like me might be in some real danger pretty soon. and we are immune-compromised!

I would NOT trust any government agency on this one.
You of course have the right to believe it is airborne, and that everyone is lying, I'm not going to argue with you. And sure, if all your nightmare scenarios come true your time might soon be up.

It has never happened in history that a blood-borne virus has mutated into a respiratory virus. That doesn't mean it's impossible, but it is unlikely.
 
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adreno

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"It has never happened" or "it has never been observed"?
And where are you going with this? Of course, if it has happened, but was unobserved, we wouldn't know about it.

We only know what we can observe. But we have observed quite a few viruses for quite a long time.

As I said this makes it unlikely, but not impossible. I am not interested in what is possible (almost everything is) but what is probable.
 
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golden

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UV kills it, i believe, are there any gadgets for swiping over clothing etc.

how many minutes does it last on surfaces?
 

Soundthealarm21

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Another patient in Dallas being treated for possible Ebola. Just broke on the news about 45 minutes ago.

They are taking extreme caution. Supposedly he is not experiencing the classic Ebola signs (fever), but he was in contact with Thomas Duncan. He is a Dallas County Sheriff.
 

Tito

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"It has never happened" or "it has never been observed"?
And where are you going with this? Of course, if it has happened, but was unobserved, we wouldn't know about it.

We only know what we can observe. But we have observed quite a few viruses for quite a long time.

As I said this makes it unlikely, but not impossible. I am not interested in what is possible (almost everything is) but what is probable.
No need to be aggressive.

For a very long time, it was believed that viruses would not cross species because it was highly "improbable". In reality it did. A good example is HIV that mutated from a virus affecting monkeys only. When a virus replicates a lot (ie. when it affects a large number of hosts), the probability that at one stage it mutates to "something else", such as an airborne virus, increases considerably. There is also the case that viruses combine with other viruses to give something new, from neutral to extremely pathogenic. Let's not forget that the population now affected by Ebola is also affected by a wide range of other infections mainly due to poor sanitary conditions. The risk of virus recombination is therefore existent.

The reality is that we know very very little about viruses. So using the word "probable" is just a guess, nothing more. It might be true, but at this stage, it is just a guess. So why not take too many precautions instead of too few?