I haven't read through the whole thread yet due to vision problems. The jokes I've read aren't the worst. It's just that if begin rideculing the procedure, and things around it, even if it's well meant, it will lead to people being more ashamed of wanting to do this potentially effective treatment, and those who've tried and failed (when/if that'll happen) will have a hard time telling about their results. I got some sarcastic remarks about this in another thread, I can live with that, but I am sure ridicule can be enough to drive others who might think about this away. Thank you for your comment by the way.