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Editorial critical of NICE bias towards psychosocial interventions for psychosis/schizophrenia

Discussion in 'Other Health News and Research' started by Esther12, May 6, 2014.

  1. Esther12

    Esther12 Senior Member

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    It's open access and short, and I could not copy and paste things without the formatting going very odd.

    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/psb.1195/pdf

    After reading some of Jessica's Bavinton's comments, I'm pretty unimpressed with the was the ME/CFS NICE panel was put together!
     
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  2. Valentijn

    Valentijn Activity Level: 3

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    Bavinton was the top "contributor" to my article on Shooting Down the Top 10 Myths From the NHS Online Clinic. A great source for bizarre, somewhat humorous, and easily disproven statements.

    She's sorta the Sarah Palin of the CBT/GET fanclub :rolleyes:
     
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  3. Cheshire

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    Where's the UK Health System's obsession with CBT coming from? CBT The cure for everything!!!

    @Valentijn had a look at ms Bavinton and yes she's a good one! First thing I saw "I am interested in therapeutic approaches that get people better" Waooow, incredible!!! What a professional ethics.
     
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  4. Bob

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    I can't work out how Bavinton relates to this document. Could you tell me what I've missed here please?
     
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  5. A.B.

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    1. Psychological explanations are used to deny patients with certain conditions the care they need, because psychotherapy is supposedly cheap whereas the alternative is not (at least that's how it was sold to health care providers). It also sends a clear message to patients with certain conditions: that they are not welcome and should not seek treatment.

    2. Because psychotherapy is not grounded in reality and has become a pseudo-scientific cult where the followers truly believe it works for everything (mainly because of inexcusably poor methodology which gives the impression of effectiveness even when there is none). It's easy to pretend CBT works for everything when success is measured by questionnaire answers and CBT is capable of changing subjective perceptions.

    3. Because medicine is still fairly unscientific and influenced by Freudian thinking. Medicine uncritically accepts the unproven existence of psychogenic illness. Human behavior is to prefer bad answers rather than admitting that no answers exist.
     
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  6. Esther12

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    She was on the nice panel for me/Cfs, and seems to have a rather overwhelming enthusiasm for GET. It was a bit OT though... it was a late night post!
     
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    Somewhere near Glasgow, Scotland
    "Bosses" hear what they want to hear:
    cheap,
    fawning,
    reinforces their arrogance, prejudices and callousness
    etc

    So given the option of long term, difficult expensive strategies that work
    vs
    mental masturbation that doesn't work but sounds good to them, they ALWAYS go with the bullshit
    this is why we've had lunatic wars, wars on drugs, bankers printing money to keep them in gravy etc

    being a LEADER is hard, it means responsibility, being the SERVANT
    so we get lots of bosses instead
     
  8. Bob

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    Thanks Esther, (I'm pretty sure) I didn't know that.
     
  9. Wildcat

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    This is probably off topic of the original thread, but, as Jessica Bavington has been mentioned:

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    Jessica Bavington's bio from 2005 - (She is not still at Barts).

    ‘Jessica Bavinton is a Clinical Specialist Physiotherapist in CFS, working at
    the fatigue service at St Bartholomew's Hospital.

    She is also a qualified Human Givens Therapist, and uses this counselling/psychotherapy training to integrate her therapeutic practice using a biopsycosocial model.

    She is currently co-ordinating a group known as the Therapy Action Group (TAG),
    with the objective of disseminating key messages for the therapeutic
    management of CFS to Physiotherapists and Occupational Therapists.

    Jessica is also leading on Graded Exercise Therapy (GET) in the PACE trial, a major
    research trial running over the next 5 years designed to compare GET,
    Cognitive Behavioural Therapy and Adaptive Pacing Therapy.

    She is an active member of the CFS Network Group, and works in partnership with patient organisations to provide accurate information for patients.’



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    Jessica Bavington also has a private company (with other Physio's Ot's) called 'Vitality 360' - private fatigue and pain training etc

    Vitality360 is a team of specialists who work with:

    • Proactive Rehabilitation
    • Chronic Fatigue Syndrome / ME
    • Fatigue Management
    • Fibromyalgia
    • Chronic Pain
    • Persistent Physical Symptoms
    • Sleep Difficulties
    • Vocational rehabilitation
    • Long-term conditions
    • Anxiety & Depression

    http://vitality360.co.uk/



    http://vitality360.co.uk/fatigue-pain/about-us/our-team/
    Jessica Bavinton
    Founder Director Vitality360 Limited + Specialist Physiotherapist
    BSc (Hons) Physiotherapy, MCSP, PVRA, HG (Dip), MBACME


    'Jessica is a national therapy leader in the field of CFS/ME, pain and persistent physical symptoms and is respected for her contribution to research, NICE guideline development and teaching in NHS services nationwide. Her patients appreciate her empathetic, structured and empowering approach, whilst companies working with her appreciate her reliability, straight-forwardness and her clinical outcomes. She is a keen ice-cream maker and cyclist, and supports the development of visually impaired tennis in her spare time.'


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    A patient organisation that Bavington has "worked in partnership with" is AYME.
     
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    I also think doctors feel terribly frustrated because they can't do a lot to help us improve, so ordering CBT and GET makes them feel like they were doing something...
     
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  12. biophile

    biophile Places I'd rather be.

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    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/psb.1195/pdf

    Sound familiar?
     
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  13. Esther12

    Esther12 Senior Member

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    Yeah - I hate this attitude.
     
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  14. A.B.

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    That too, but the obsession with CBT is something else.
     
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    Some of them do genuinely seem to believe it though. I used to be seen at this medical centre and all of the doctors that I met there were fully paid up members of the IAIYH brigade. Look at their website under psychological therapy as an example

    "We offer cognitive behavioural therapy (CBT) as our primary treatment approach, as it has strong research evidence and is recommended by the Department of Health. There is a Psychological Wellbeing Practitioner and a CBT therapist working at the Marylebone Health Centre"

    http://www.marylebonehealthcentre.co.uk/info.aspx?p=20
     
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