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Discussion in 'Other Health News and Research' started by xchocoholic, Dec 6, 2011.

  1. xchocoholic

    xchocoholic Senior Member

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    Fwiw. I wouldn't want anyone to feel bad about not keeping up with this diet.

    I don't think I could've made this kind of dietary change quickly either. I've been working
    on my diet since 2005 and still have a way to go. I move so slowly that it feels like one pwc year = 10 healthy
    person years. At some point in the last few years I decided that
    avoiding undo stress was more important to me than pushing myself into any protocal. But that's just me.

    Tc .. X
     
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    Sasha Fine, thank you

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    Hi x - I don't feel bad about not keeping up with the diet but I do feel frustrated. I wish I had a chef!

    I'm trying to figure out what the most beneficial changes might be and to try to think of ways to implement them, even if I can't do the rest or do it all 100%.

    There seems to be a lot of emphasis on green leafy vegetables, especially the cruciferae and especially kale, being the most nutrient dense but that nutrient density is per calorie, not per gram. So nuts come out very low down the list even though they might (or might not, I don't know) be as nutritious per gram as green vegetables. Green vegetables need a lot of prep and nuts need none so it's a real issue.

    However, greens seem to have a different set of nutrients than other stuff and I don't like them so have rarely eaten them in the last 50 years so I think I've got some making up to do there! I think my priority should therefore be blending/juicing green drinks, since it's the least prep and chewing.
     
  3. xchocoholic

    xchocoholic Senior Member

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    Hi sasha,

    A chef would be ideal .. I beat myself up for years until I decided to chill and accept that my cfs is going to limit my abilities.
    I guess that's why I feel so at home here. I know you all can relate.

    I've taken a similiar approach to diets. Only I've found that the way I eat certain foods deterimes how
    they make me feel. For various reasons, I'm super sensitive to foods. Hyperinsulinemia, oxalates, celiac, etc.

    For instance green smoothies with a small amount of fruit are better for me because
    of my hyperinsulinema. Too little fruit and I don't feel energized but too much fruit makes me tired because
    my body over produces insulin to the sugars.

    Also I feel a sense of wellbeing from juicing and eating raw fruits, veggies and cooked meats but not from smoothies. This is different from the sugar high or
    feeling hydrated. Fresh young coconut water is hydrating to me too but none of the pkg coconuts waters are.

    An orange is the perfect pick me up from a blood glucose low for me. Nothing works as well and I've tried many things over
    the past few years. Those glucose tablets don't even work as well. Dates come close but they're not as good.

    I wish I'd known this years ago .. Tc .. X
     
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    Sasha Fine, thank you

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    Hi x - you've done well to navigate all those extra difficulties. We need both a chef and a personal nutritionist!
     
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    I've been thinking about this too. I just can't consume the amount of leafy greens she says she eats every day. And I think a little fruit is a good idea, but a lot is too much of a carb load for me. So I'm busy constructing a diet around 2lbs of mostly vegetables + some fruit daily, working with the color groups. I'm trying to also work in 25-30g of fiber, and about 50g protein.

    I do best if I stay low-carb, and my doctor wants me off animal proteins ATM (cholesterol), so I've ordered hemp, rice, and pea protein powders, and coconut dietary fiber. I'm just at the beginning of figuring this out, but it feels do-able.
     
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    Sasha Fine, thank you

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    Hi madie - that all sounds good. I'm so immobile that I put on weight quickly if I go over about 1500 cals/day so a diet high in fruit is problematic for me too. I also have so little energy that I can't sit up and chew the whole time!
     
  7. xchocoholic

    xchocoholic Senior Member

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    Fwiw, like most things you do repeatedly, the veggie prep got easier after awhile. Cutting my veggies to bite size pieces to make chewing easier and making a big salad in the morning that lasts the whole day works for me too. I have more energy in the mornings. It's nice having food ready to go too.

    I really struggle on the days where I have to shop, wash and chop so I usually break up these tasks.

    Fwiw, I was told to eliminate all processed foods esp those protein powders. They're not bio-available like
    the real thing. Granted it took me awhile to stop using these but I feel better without these.
     
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    Sasha Fine, thank you

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    Hi x - that's good advice. I have a home help for an hour once a week and get her to chop 500g of mushrooms for me so all I have to do is toss them with a bit of pesto and microwave them - lasts me with a daily portion the whole week. She also chops onions so I can roast a couple of trays and eat them cold - again, a portion a day for a week.

    Fuhrman is against protein powders too on the basis that foods contain a complex and unknown mix of nutrients that are better left in.
     
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    Hi, everyone. I love it here -- too tired to chew? YES! Get it. I don't do salads anymore just because there's too much chewing going on. I have a Breville juicer that's never been used. I got it just before I went on serious lo carb quite a few years back, and I'm thinking about breaking it out and trying some green juices.

    xchoc, one of my Yorkies has to avoid oxalic acid too. I've never had to memorize the food list because, fortunately, there's a prescription food for him, but that must really up the degree of difficulty.

    ETA I've tried frozen kale and one that was a mix of kale and collard greens. It was actually very, very good. That really cuts down on the prep time if you're going to cook it. Frozen sometimes can be more nutritious than fresh, depending on how long it takes to get from the grower to your tummy and it's more forgiving if you can't cook it right away.
     
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    Hi CJB - if you've got a juicer that's not exhausting to clean, I think that's a good way to go.

    I can't stand at a stove and use pans to cook things but sometimes I've bought kale in a sealed cellophane bag that you can puncture and just stick in the microwave to steam - that's very easy.
     
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    Hi cjb,

    Glad you found us .. Most people just have no idea just how much energy chewing takes. Chopping
    the veggies makes it sooooo much easier.

    I'll have to look for the frozen kale. I've found that lacenta kale, the straight dark green one, is
    typically clean and bug free at my local hfs so I've been buying this one lately. I like the curly and the
    purple kale too but so do the bugs. And unravelling all those curls looking for bugs and dirt is a pain.

    I haven't read furhman's info yet. I was lucky enough to have a freind come to my house and
    revamp my diet for me. He recommended less meat (i went from 3/4lb - to 1/4 daily), more veggies
    (chopping was his idea), stop
    using processed foods including oils and proteins .. I was drowning my salads in oil .. Lol.. Evoo and evco
    are ok but in serious moderation. Olives and coconuts are the better choice.

    tc .. X
     
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    Sasha Fine, thank you

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    I hadn't thought of olive oil, flaxseed oil etc. as processed foods until I read Fuhrman. Makes sense, though.
     
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    Most people who say "Well, I don't eat processed foods" mean they bake their own cookies...with flour, and butter, and chocolate chips.
     
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    I was googling this weekend and found this great info ... tc ... x

    http://www.terrywahls.com/_blog/Terry_Wahls'_Blog



     
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    HI madie

    I've heard this so many times myself. I guess our diets are just so far from the bio available foods that we're supposed to be eating to nourish our cells that it's hard for us to imagine a life without processed foods. Um, I probably thought this too prior to 2005. duh ... tc ... x
     
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    http://www.terrywahls.com/ForumRetrieve.aspx?ForumID=3736&TopicID=13980&NoTemplate=False


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    For some reason I can't edit the above info. BUT ... fwiw ... we still have to consider our own bodies limitations on this. I can't have any form of caffeine whatsoever. So no chocolate for me. It just makes my makes my heart, adrenals or whatever buzz non stop for at least 24 hours. Then I'm left with my body adjusting from the buzzing.

    OF COURSE, I've tried many times to get this back into my diet but failed each time. I guess if there's a bright side to this, at least I know now that these make my body buzz .. gluten, hfcs, sugar, certain supplements, ? do this to me too. I suspect that many do this, not just PWCs.

    tc ... x
     
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    Hello, I am still trying a Wahls' based diet--sort of. Have had some bad times recently for unknown causes--solar flares? (say that only half jokingly). Did run into some thyroid trouble a while back--raised TSH--but that seems to be quieting. I am now trying to steer my way between too much juicing--allows me to take in too much green stuff, that triggers the thyroid problem--and too much raw stuff, that seems to trigger gut problems--too much fibre. Steaming does cut down the goitrogenic push from greens a bit, so steam a lot of my greens and veg. Still convinced that there is magic in greens and beets--good for heart and immune issues (see latest magazine issue on www.aor.ca website)--as per "Fat, Sick, and nearly Dead"--and still virtually vegan (see latest research on Caloric Restriction, the only fully proven way of extending life-also cuts down inflammation--shows that reducing protein is key, and within that reducing methionine, an amino acid much higher in animal protein than in veg protein). However, this can lead to not enough Taurine, good for heart issues, so I do take some shellfish, scallops mostly, which are high in Taurine, relatively low in methionine, and not too high in cholesterol. This is more or less where Denise Minger is at (see her blog, www.rawfoodsos.com ).

    I do still have an oat/quinoa mix for breakfast, but soak it overnight to cut phytates.

    So I am hoping to resume my upward progress soon.... Good luck to us all, best, Chris
     
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    I'm glad you brought this up. If you juice, is that processed? If you grind nuts and seeds is that processed? I define processed as having something removed, added, etc. White flour is wheat that has had the germ, etc., removed to extend shelf life and is obviously processed. But is almond butter processed if you grind it at the store?

    My naturopath kind of got a funny look on her face when she suggested brown rice noodles and I said, "but I thought you said no processed foods". Apparently, she didn't considered that processed.

    :eek:

    What do you consider processed? (Question for the group;))
     
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    Hi, Chris. So glad to see you here. I was worried after your last post.
     

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