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Dr. Rind's latest revelations about "adrenal fatigue"

Discussion in 'General Treatment' started by drob31, Aug 11, 2014.

  1. heapsreal

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    yes, apparently the PVN or the paraventricular nuclues, is a part of the brain which controls adrenal function or release/supresses cortisol function is involved in what we call adrenal fatigue. Im guessing its dysfunctions is either a possible injury to the PVN or maybe its some type of fuse where it goes off as a protective mechanism but we somehow cant switch the power back on, thats just a guess though. Issues can still happen with the adrenal glands themselves but apparently its more likely the dysfunction of the PVN that causes low cortisol or irregular cortisol cycle.

    Im guess this adrenal dysfunction can occur on its own, maybe a burn out type situation and probably also occurs in many chronic conditions. In cfs/me i think its probably a down stream secondary issue, many of us test low in cortisol and or dhea, so its a common abnormality found through testing?
     
  2. Sherpa

    Sherpa Ex-workaholic & adrenaline junkie

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    @drob31 I understand what you are saying. I agree with you - I don't subscribe to the internet forum diagnosis of "one tired little gland" as causing all the havoc.

    I am describing "adrenal fatigue syndrome" AFS - a complex system of chronic stress-induced HPA axis imbalances and deadlocked biological malfunctions that have been well documented and described by Dr. Michael Lam. His excellent book describes the progression of the syndrome, the multiple layers of dysfunction and the resulting nutritional imbalances, in a way that should prove satisfyingly informative to any open-minded doctor or sufferer wanting to understand what AFS is.. and what AFS is not.
     
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  3. ukxmrv

    ukxmrv Senior Member

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    I think you need to read more medical journals. There is research going back to the dawn of CFS including several criteria plus there was a body of research into ME before that. There were codes in the WHO ISD.

    and what does "adrenal fatigue" have, any classifications? any international criteria? any research at all?

    People with ME and CFS are exactly the ones who should be questioning these ideas. We are used to having flimsy, non-defined things like "functional somatic syndromes" thrown at us. Adrenal Fatigue could be another red herring and it doesn't benefit people if there is nothing there. I've spent 30 years having books recommenced to me on ideas that never amounted to more than a fringe belief.

    Hopefully that will change over time for your symptoms and the cause. We can all hope for more research and certainty.
     
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  4. drob31

    drob31 Senior Member

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    One thing that really made me think was when Dr. Rinds assistant (former astrophysicist, don't ask), mentioned that while I went through a few traumatic events, and this was 4 months ago, that people come back from war and don't have adrenal fatigue. That sort of put it into perspective.
     
  5. Ema

    Ema Senior Member

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    The first mistake is to treat data and not patients.

    Pathology always exists on a continuum. To say that it doesn't in the case of adrenal dysfunction is ludicrous. Adrenals don't typically function perfectly one day and then realize when they have passed some arbitrary lab cutoff the next. The dysfunction is progressive and doctors should recognize the spectrum just as they do with the pancreas/diabetes. The warning signs are there many years in advance.

    A leading cause of Addison's for many years throughout recent history was actually infection. Cytomegalovirus in particular is known to cause AI and many of us have chronic CMV infections. There's no reason to think that other infectious processes wouldn't similarly affect the adrenals.
     
  6. Beyond

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    Thats a good point, however I stay on a neutral ground and say that both scenarios are possible: you can get "adrenally fatigued" via chronic stress and also you can have something that is causing adrenal fatigue such as lyme. Scientists call this first scenario "depression" and it is a routinely studied phenomenon, such as the "chronic stress model of mice", this is, permanent malfunction of a couple of glands and organs as a result of chronic stress (they torture the animal said with all honesty). Interestingly enough they pretend emotional depression which is a very different thing is the same as this "physiological depression" which I no doubt identify with "adrenal fatigue".

    For instance, high cortisol is a hallmark of "major depression" in humans. It is all very complex, but I wonder how many of these people have low serum DHEA, pregnenolone and progesterone and low saliva cortisol (that means adrenal fatigue 100% sure, I have all of these sadly).
     
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    With regard to the interesting comments above I was wondering about burnout. Wouldn't this definitely contribute to underfunctioning adrenals if it had been going on for many years from a variety of causes? If the adrenals weren't functioning well then it would impact the thyroid too so one would then get a double whammy and have all sorts of problems (not necessarily ME/CFS though).

    Pam
     
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  8. South

    South Senior Member

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    @drob31 So drob31, can we ask what Dr. Rind's advice was in your case...or if you'd rather not discuss your own case, do you know what his advice is to many of his other patients who come in with adrenal symptoms? Test for pathogens and then use products to kill those pathogens?

    Does he have any insight into doing such testing and pathogen treatment that other doctors don't have, is something I wonder.
     
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  9. South

    South Senior Member

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    Since Dr. Rind was adult enough to admit verbally that he changed his opinion on something he'd previously publicly published, is he also adult enough to change the content of his website? I just looked, and his website's adrenal page still only discusses supplements for sale like glandulars, vitamin C, etc, and makes no mention of testing for infections as a way to heal the adrenals. I hope he doesn't have a financial interest in Dove brand of supplements featured on his website.

    I'm going to be a negative Nelly here. I don't like doctors who won't admit when they are wrong, in full. His adrenal page still states "Providing the body with proper support in the form of vitamin supplements can significantly decrease, if not completely eliminate, low metabolic energy and its symptoms.".
     
  10. drob31

    drob31 Senior Member

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    He has nothing. I no longer see him. He said I had lyme with no testing, and based it on treating it empirically.
     

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