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Dr. Mercola on XMRV and CFS

Discussion in 'Media, Interviews, Blogs, Talks, Events about XMRV' started by _Kim_, Dec 24, 2009.

  1. _Kim_

    _Kim_ Guest

    November 12, 2009

    Gammaretrovirus Thought to be Important Cause of Chronic Fatigue

     
  2. _Kim_

    _Kim_ Guest

    There's more...

    This is an older article, but gave me an idea where Mercola was coming from in the XMRV article

    November 21 2006

    New Research Confirms Powerful Cause for Chronic Fatigue Syndrome



     
  3. Kati

    Kati Patient in training

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    Dr Mercola...

    .. was doing real well until the emotional disturbances from childhood and on... Can't they just leave us alone with our childhood? Everyone has been traumatized as a child, and if you haven't been traumatized, well that's a trauma on its own.

    And regarding exercice and CFIDS, there is only a small percentage of doctors that know about PEM (post exertional malaise) and cardiac functions related to CFS. The other group that knows about it is the patients themselves. The rest of the world don't have a clue.

    I would suggest to the doctors that don't have a clue and that are not interested to stay well away from us- for they are a liability. :p
     
  4. Eric Johnson from I&I

    Eric Johnson from I&I Senior Member

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    Yeah but: he he didnt have any evidence! I read one of his shorter writings on it years back. Anecdotal evidence such as Crook presented means very little. Anecdotal evidence exists in favor of anything and everything. I'm glad Crook made what investigations he did, but they cant begin to compare to the evidence presented by Mikovits et al.
     
  5. _Kim_

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    Mercola is very dangerous

    Kati, I agree 100%. Mercola is dangerous because his message reaches so many people. His website www.Mercola.com is the 2065:th largest site within .COM domain. Mercola.com averages more than 3,000 new subscribers every day, and, with 10 million visitors each week, is worth more than $100 million if it were ever sold.
     
  6. fresh_eyes

    fresh_eyes happy to be here

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    Duh. I wrote him an email saying he was providing irresponsible misinformation, confusing ordinary 'chronic fatigue' with CFS, recognized by the World Health Organization as an infectious disease of the nervous system. I'm so tired of these guys.
     
  7. Kati

    Kati Patient in training

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    Re: Dr MErcola

    I actually peeked 2 seconds on his website- 2 secoinds- the first line was 2 foods you should never eat. It made me close the page right away.

    When I hear that, I cringe. I don't want to starta long conversation on food and diet, but Food is out there to be eaten. People telling you never to eat something, whether it's good or bad for you, is wrong.

    For instance, corn, potatoes, pineapple- carrots, usually cooked- bananas-
    Usually the reason is too high sugar content. Coffee and tea, canned food, bacon, red meat, meat, farmed fish, white flour pasta...
    Each food has something to bring "on the table" in terms of vitamin and minerals. Some people can't eat whole wheat anything for fear of bowel obstruction or other medical condition- so white bread is their savior.
    You get the message.

    Based on that and on the CFIDS opinion, Dr Mercola doesn't have my respect and my membership. I won't even try to change his mind, I will stay well away. Now I like my turkey with gravy please. :)
     
  8. Robin

    Robin Guest

    It's kind of weird that he would address it, since he believes AIDS is caused by drug use, chronic health problems and "rectal glucocorticoids" and not HIV.

    (There is a long incubation period for HIV: half of those infected will not progress to AIDS for at least ten years. And, of course, anti-retroviral treatments stave off progression as well. But, only 1-2% of HIV patients are long term nonprogressors, or patients who do not get AIDS after years of HIV infection. To say that not all HIV infected will develop AIDS, while technically true, is pretty disingenuous. )

    Mercola is really off the wall. He warns people of the health risks of cooking with microwaves and would prefer that you purchase his turbo oven!

    I wouldn't really consider Mercola a credible source on much of anything.
     
  9. caledonia

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    He sure doesn't get it, does he?

    I agree, he's talking about CF not CFS, and he doesn't get the difference.
     
  10. Eric Johnson from I&I

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    I didnt know Merc was a Deusberg follower. Ol Deus is the most famous lunatic in medicine.
     
  11. oerganix

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    sell, sell, sell

    Selling stuff is what Mercola is all about. Just spend thousands of dollars on my CDs, supplements, my cookware, my free range ostrich meat, and you'll be well in no time. It's a successful marketing technique: create a scary myth and sell the antidote - works quite well with people who have more money than sense. WHO and the CDC are doing it right now with the swine flu vaccine hoax.


    *3 months supply of vitamin D spray, the latest miracle supplement: list price $61.91; :) :) :) -the sunshine vitamin :) :) :)
    *alternatively, buy his tanning bed:list price $1897(which promises to reverse wrinkles, improve circulation, relieve pain and give you vitamin D without "overdose"); :confused:
    *Meridian Tapping CD: $29 (he explains why nothing works everytime " some people may have a hidden agenda for maintaining their life the way it is, and therefore resist changing". So, if his expensive "cures" don't work, it's because YOU really WANT to be sick. :eek: :eek: :eek:
    *Ferrite beads for only $15, to protect you from the brain cancer caused by cell phone radiation.(Available elsewhere on the internet for 2 cents each, without a blessing from Mercola); ferrite beads are what those little bumps on the end of your USB cables are - they are used for suppressing noise in electronics, have nothing to do with "radiation". :eek:
    *free range ostrich meat: only $7.70-19.65/lb, plus shipping. (His disclaimer says that HE doesn't eat ostrich because the Bible says not to; HE eats his grass fed bison instead: $6-30/lb, plus shipping. " I believe the Bible is God's inherent word, including the Old Testament, so I am choosing to avoid eating ostrich and instead choose the equally healthy and delicious bison offered on this site.") :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

    I joined (and left)the Low Dose Naltrexone group on Yahoo and it is saturated with "Mercola as Messiah" folks. That bunch does act like a cult. I asked one poster to stop posting his "newsletter" to the list (against list rules and totally off topic) and was attacked for "blasphemy". The reason given: "Dr Mercola is very popular on this list". So, medicine as a popularity contest, anyone? :p

    Interesting how he covers all bases, with a solution to sell for any possible scenario. First he concedes CFS may be viral, but all you need to do is buy his supplements and CDs and your immune system will take care of all viruses and bacteria. Then he covers the psychiatric angle as well, with the same solutions. :confused:

    And if you want to get in on the filthy lucre end of the business, he has 6 job opportunities available, including "copy writer" :D for his "newsletter". Must be able to write "scientific studies show..." and "may" and "might" multiple times per story. :D
     
  12. Robin

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    Well, I agree with you on the spend spend spend part. Americans pay out $33+ billion a year in alternative medicine and Mercola wants his piece of the pie, for sure!

    I disagree about the flu vaccine being a hoax. Studies show that the vaccine is effective in creativing antibodies to H1N1. This subject is rather personal for me; my brother's coauthor died from H1N1 in France three months ago. It was a horrible death of gradual organ shutdown and respiratory failure. I spent one afternoon hearing about his decline and coma until his death. I'll never forget it. He was a healthy man in his late 20s. A vaccine, if it had been available, most likely would have prevented his death.
     
  13. Martlet

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    I am so sorry to hear this, Robin.

    I lost two friends in the flu epidemic of the late Sixties.

    It was because of these young deaths that my husband and I decided to have the H1N1 vaccine, even though I am in my deepest crash in many, many years. I was concerned that if either of us caught the flu, we might pass it on before we are aware we are sick and potentially harm some young person or a pregnant woman. It gave me an even further dip into ME/CFS, but I'd rather this than risk what you just described for someone else.
     
  14. oerganix

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    Flu "pandemics"

    I'm sorry for your losses.

    But the assumption that a vaccine would have prevented them is not born out by the facts. I, too, have lost loved ones to the flu. One died because of complications of vaccination and one died after having had the flu shot.

    Right now, several governments in Europe are trying to get their money back from BigPharma for vaccines that probably were never needed because the "pandemic" never was. It was created by officials at WHO who are paid consultants for vaccine makers. This is just another episode in a string of flu scares that are made up for the benefit of vaccines makers. See here for just one story:

    http://www.theoneclickgroup.co.uk/news.php?start=3120&end=3140&view=yes&id=4146#newspost

    Quotes from the article:

    In an interview with Der Spiegel magazine in Germany, epidemiologist Dr. Tom Jefferson of the Cochrane Collaboration, an organization of independent scientists evaluating all flu related studies, noted the implications of the privatization of WHO and the commercialization of health:

    one of the extraordinary features of this influenza -- and the whole influenza saga -- is that there are some people who make predictions year after year, and they get worse and worse. None of them so far have come about, and these people are still there making these predictions. For example, what happened with the bird flu, which was supposed to kill us all? Nothing. But that doesn't stop these people from always making their predictions. Sometimes you get the feeling that there is a whole industry almost waiting for a pandemic to occur. SPIEGEL: Who do you mean? The World Health Organization (WHO)? Jefferson: The WHO and public health officials, virologists and the pharmaceutical companies. They've built this machine around the impending pandemic. And there's a lot of money involved, and influence, and careers, and entire institutions! And all it took was one of these influenza viruses to mutate to start the machine grinding...18 When asked if the WHO had deliberately declared the Pandemic Emergency in order to create a huge market for H1N1 vaccines and drugs, Jefferson replied,



    Don't you think there's something noteworthy about the fact that the WHO has changed its definition of pandemic? The old definition was a new virus, which went around quickly, for which you didn't have immunity, and which created a high morbidity and mortality rate. Now the last two have been dropped, and that's how swine flu has been categorized as a pandemic."

    and:

    In a relevant footnote, the Washington Post on December 8 in an article on the severity, or lack of same, of the world H1N1 pandemic reported that with the second wave of H1N1 infections having crested in the United States, leading epidemiologists are predicting that the pandemic could end up ranking as the mildest since modern medicine began documenting influenza outbreaks.

    This is just one more case of creating a scary myth and then selling the "antidote". Several hundred thousand people die every year of "ordinary" flu. A lot more have died already this year of flu, than have even contracted "swine flu". And by the way, Tamiflu, another of BigPharma's creations, has been found not to have any affect on the outcome of flu, according to researchers in Europe.
     

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