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Dr Jack Kruse's explanation of what CFS is

Discussion in 'Alternative Therapies' started by keenly, Jun 8, 2017.

  1. keenly

    keenly Senior Member

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    Quoted from: https://forum.jackkruse.com/index.php?threads/cfs-help.10807/#post-127294

    (to read more, follow the link at the top of the page.

    And he is correct!
     
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    melihtas Senior Member

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    Way too much BS in a single post.
     
  3. adreno

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    Mindless drivel.
     
  4. Sidereal

    Sidereal Senior Member

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    Someone forgot to take their meds this morning.
     
  5. keenly

    keenly Senior Member

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    Ignorance is bliss.
     
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    keenly Senior Member

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    Humans were not meant to be indoors surrounded by blue light.
     
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    :D:rofl:
     
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    Followed his advice and had a huge improvement.
     
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    But most people in the western world get little sun, little DHA and lots of EMF. Yet most don't have ME and FM. How does Kruse explain that?
     
  10. Basilico

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    True, yet billions do and very few of them develop fibromyalgia. Therefore, it is not the cause, because if it were, there would be billions of people in the world with fibromyalgia.
     
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    Wishful Senior Member

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    Oh good, we're allowed to make fun of obvious quackery on this board. Electricity is attractive for quacks because most people consider it mysterious. I did talk to one quack who insisted that no one understood electricity. He wanted to send me for 'quantum xzrkzl (can't remember the exact silly spelling) testing'...which a bit of internet checking showed was just another 'ohmmeter measuring skin resistance, except with a custom scale marked at random with diseases' scam.

    Yup, way too much nonsense in that posting.
     
  12. Basilico

    Basilico Florida

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    @keenly , I know you are a Jack Kruse fan, but surely you can see that most of the explanation he gives is nonsensical and illogical. I have never in my life heard a scientist refer to something as being 'sticky' to electrons. He sounds like a 5 year old trying to describe something he doesn't really grasp, hoping that if he just keeps taking enough and throwing out a key vocabulary word here and there, the audience won't call him on anything because they will assume their confusion is a problem of comprehension on their behalf, not on the fact that what he's saying is mostly nonsense.

    Electrons are particles with negative charges. They are attracted to protons, which have a positive charge. Electrons are repelled by other nearby electrons, just as protons are repelled by other nearby protons. I don't have a science background, but I do have a decent handle on how the basics work. Jack Kruse is purposely trying to explain things in the most convoluted way possible so that you won't look too closely at all the unsupported assertions he's making.



    You say that Jack Kruse is right...so please tell me what this section means...Life uses the highest grade of energy?
     
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    Mohawk1995 Senior Member

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    This may make sense to the average quantum physicist, but not to the rest of us. He may be mostly right from his perspective. Everyone has a filter through which they view the world. Immunologist = Immune System, Endocrinologist = Endocrine System, Neurologist = Neurology and so on.

    I tend to look at it differently in that I think it starts with the control systems (Neurological) for immunity, protection and energy production signaling the shut down of metabolic activity which maybe creating the electron issues. That would be Outside to Inside. His view appears to be Inside to Outside.

    Lastly because I don't speak his language I may have completely misinterpreted what he is saying and what I wrote in response could be complete gibberish. :redface:
     
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    Quote from Jack Kruse at https://forum.jackkruse.com/index.php?threads/cfs-help.10807/#post-127294


    Though I don't agree with the condescending tone of most comments, I beg to differ.

    All the above of course can contribute, become co-factors to ME/CFS. But not every of them are in every case. And even if, still not be 'the' cause. If there even is a single one.

    An other example, when I did intensive meditation retreats I observed a very few who became highly psychotic thereby, or remember a few from my youth getting psychotic from a few joints. However, the vast majority simply doesn't get psychotic from meditation or cannabis. So there has to be a precondition, a vulnerability present before, for such a harmless event to trigger psychosis. Similarly, some chemical, electrical, mold, fungus, blue light sensitivity and DHA deficiency might constitute a contributing factor. But as a cause? - I seriously doubt in most cases.

    Would be so easy to test as hypothesis. Simply go off the grid and eating mostly fish would suffice..

    Anyone, has done that for a significant time?


    Beside that, I consider Jack Kruse as full of himself, to say it mildly. If he had only a tiny speck of compassion or genius he would explain it in such a clear, non-contradicting fashion, that even those fatigued and brain-fogged could understand his explanations, and not only he himself.
     
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    Of course, on the other hand many of his recommendations can of course help. Even without his confuse explanations. :confused:
     
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    I think this is what he's counting on. If he had something really substantial and meaningful to communicate, he would attempt to do it in a clear and understandable way.



    I think Schopenhauer said it best when he wrote:

    "Men should use common words to say uncommon things, but they do the reverse...A man who is capable of thinking can express himself at all times in clear, comprehensible, and unambiguous words." (From the essay 'On Authorship and Style')

    Not a single idea in that Jack Kruse response is clear or comprehensible.
     
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    From Jack Kruse: https://forum.jackkruse.com/index.php?threads/cfs-help.10807/#post-127294

    You should have stopped quoting him here. Once a person who is not a quantum physicist starts to talk about quantum phenomena, it should be a red flag for bullshit alert, it means in 99% of cases the person doesn't know what he is talking about.
     
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    Jack Kruse, who is a highly respected practicing Neurosurgeon, explains one way for Geeks and another for nonGeeks. All I do is follow his recommendations and like many others, have seen an emormous improvememt. It's about physics not biology. I am reasonably interested in the why's but physics was not my strong point in school and I don't have the time for lengthy explanations. Getting in the mid day sun and grounding, as well as hugely increasing my fish consumption has enabled me to show such an improvemnt that I have recently been able to move house, unaided. I couldn't move according to his recommendations, to a more southerly location to get more sun, but do have a small garden now so can do my sunbathing in private.

    Yes he has a large ego and does not suffer fools gladly, but who among you is perfect?
     
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    Quack = Quackery.

    Where is he licensed currently then? Tennessee says he hasn't been licensed since 2015.
     
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    None is perfect. But only few think out loud publicly that they would be somehow. While it's clear for everyone to see they aren't. He is the one who started to throw stones first.

    I glad to have followed these recommendations before reading of him. So no need for believe or fellowship of this fake Guru. Real teachers support understanding.
     

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