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Dr. Francis Collins: "Forty similar deliberate-infection studies conducted in US" ???

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    WE SEEM TO HAVE FORGOTTEN ABOUT THE 40 OTHER DELIBERATE INFECTION STUDIES DONE IN THE US - IS ME/CFS/RETROVIRUS FAMILY ONE OF THEM???

    "Forty similar deliberate-infection studies were conducted in [/COLOR]the United States during that period, Collins said."


    U.S. apologizes for 1940s STD study in Guatemala
    WASHINGTON (AP) American scientists deliberately infected prisoners and patients in a mental hospital in Guatemala with syphilis 60 years ago, a recently unearthed experiment that prompted U.S. officials to apologize Friday and declare outrage over "such reprehensible research."
    The U.S. government-funded experiment, which ran from 1946 to 1948, was discovered by a Wellesley College medical historian. It apparently was conducted to test whether penicillin, then relatively new, could prevent infection with sexually transmitted diseases. The study came up with no useful information and was hidden for decades.
    Two members of President Barack Obama's Cabinet apologized to the Guatemalan government for the tests, and the White House press secretary, Robert Gibbs, said the medical experimentation was "shocking, it's tragic, it's reprehensible."
    Obama telephoned Guatemalan President Alvaro Colon to apologize personally.
    The government researcher who led the work in Guatemala also was involved in this country's infamous Tuskegee experiment, where from 1932 to 1972 scientists tracked 600 black men in Alabama who had syphilis but did not know it, without ever offering them treatment.
    "We are outraged that such reprehensible research could have occurred under the guise of public health," Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton and Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said Friday.
    Strict regulations today make clear that it is unethical to experiment on people without their consent and require special steps for any work with such vulnerable populations as prisoners. But such regulations did not exist in the 1940s.
    Guatemalan Embassy official Fernando de la Cerda said his country had known nothing about the experiment until Clinton called to apologize Thursday night.
    "We appreciate this gesture from the USA., acknowledging the mistake and apologizing," he said. "This must not affect the bilateral relationship."
    Strict today's regulations make clear that it is unethical to experiment on people without their consent and require special steps for any work with such vulnerable populations as prisoners. But such regulations did not exist in the 1940s.
    The U.S. government ordered two independent investigations to uncover exactly what happened in Guatemala and to make sure current bioethics rules are adequate. They will be led by the prestigious Institute of Medicine and the Presidential Commission for the Study of Bioethical Issues.
    The U.S. government ordered two independent investigations to uncover exactly what happened in Guatemala and to make sure current bioethics rules are adequate. They will be led by the prestigious Institute of Medicine and the Presidential Commission for the Study of Bioethical Issues.
    While deliberately trying to infect people with serious diseases is abhorrent today, the Guatemalan experiment is not the only example from what National Institutes of Health Director Dr. Francis Collins on Friday called "a dark chapter in the history of medicine." Forty similar deliberate-infection studies were conducted in the United States during that period, Collins said.
    In Guatemala, 696 men and women were exposed to syphilis or in some cases gonorrhea, through jail visits by prostitutes or, when that did not infect enough people, by deliberately inoculating them, reported Wellesley College historian Susan Reverby. Those who were infected were offered penicillin, but it was not clear how many were infected and how many were treated successfully.
    She reported that the United States had gained permission from Guatemalan officials to conduct the study, but did not inform the experimental subjects.
    Reverby's work was reported first by NBC News. She uncovered the records of Dr. John Cutler, a prominent government scientist of the 1940s, while researching the Tuskegee experiment for a recent book. She posted on her website a copy of an article about the findings that is to be published in January in an academic journal. A speech she gave on her findings last spring alerted government health officials to her findings, resulting in Friday's apology.
    The revelation of abuses by a U.S. medical research program is only the latest chapter in the United States' troubled history with the impoverished Central American nation, which has a per capita gross domestic product about half that of the rest of Central America and the Caribbean.
    The U.S. helped topple the democratically elected president Jacobo Arbenz in 1954 and backed several hard-line governments during a 36-year civil war that ended in 1996 and cost 200,000 lives.
    Copyright 2010 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
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    "The U.S. government ordered two independent investigations to uncover exactly what happened in Guatemala and to make sure current bioethics rules are adequate. They will be led by the prestigious Institute of Medicine and the Presidential Commission for the Study of Bioethical Issues.
    The U.S. government ordered two independent investigations to uncover exactly what happened in Guatemala and to make sure current bioethics rules are adequate. They will be led by the prestigious Institute of Medicine and the Presidential Commission for the Study of Bioethical Issues.
    While deliberately trying to infect people with serious diseases is abhorrent today, the Guatemalan experiment is not the only example from what National Institutes of Health Director Dr. Francis Collins on Friday called "a dark chapter in the history of medicine." Forty similar deliberate-infection studies were conducted in the United States during that period, Collins said.
    "... She uncovered the records of Dr. John Cutler, a prominent government scientist of the 1940s, while researching the Tuskegee experiment for a recent book."
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    Thanks Muffin.

    I hope Obama suspects something is up with current actions of health agencies, and he just has to get good evidence to know what is going on.

    By the time Obama gets a few CFS patient letters and the bioethics review, he should kind of get the drift something is really messed up even in more recent history of government agencies.

    Lets hope the truth gets out sooner rather than later.
     
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    Thanks Muffin

    That was a dark period in medicine ?

    It's funny because the history of ME and the history of CFS would suggest we are still sitting in the middle of one.

    The US Govt is not the only Govt that needs to hang his head over matters such as these.
     
  5. SilverbladeTE

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    I don't think ME is a bio-weapon, for a bunch of reasons, but it would be, now, one they WOULD be interested in.

    The American biowepaon program shifted form "mass murder" to "economic warfare", where as the Russians developed vast, insanely so, mass mruder systems for use against the Chinese (whom they thought were more of a threat, plus they were a cheap Mutually Assured Destruction system. far cheaper than nukes)

    Complicated but the military didn't want such horrors, NOT what they want or like despite what some may think.
    However, the "spooks" and rabid "hawks", loved the idea of "Plausible deniability weapons"..can't prove a germ came form someone's lab, or Nature...
    why drop bombs, when you can sicken, cause famines, reduce economic output, etc.
    covert, non or slow lethal agents were what they wanted. see, Lyme, crop blights etc.

    Russians meanwhile needed cheap alternative to the incredibly expensive nukes for Mutual Assured Destruction, and more importantly to them, a wepaon against the vast chinese population (see Russian-Chinese history 1950s to 1970s) so created insanely vast quantities of lethal agents...1 ton of smallpox virii, urg!!

    what has happened to us ME victims is too random/large to likely be a bioweapon test, big test = mouths flap eventually
    so they keep such things very small and tight.
    Not impossible though, alas, based on prior crap they have got up to and been caught out.

    More likely,
    it's stupidity and lakc of compassion and mental ability (British medical world is still largely influenced by the sick, stupid Victoian attitudes of old sociopathic duffers who think Eugenics was a good idea),
    sick egos of the Weasels wanting "proof their snake oil horeshit is real so need some disease to prove their cockamammy crap is right",
    greed (denying welfare/insurance pay outs)
    cowardice (governments who've wh*red themselves out to the Pharma Corps enormous bribery/lobbying power don't want a scandal that the vaccines THEY ordered be put in their voters' babies was bad! oh hell no, they'd rather that risk continued and people got sick, than maybe lose their Seats in the House)
    etc
    Blech! :(
     
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    They are using MuLv's right now to do Gene Therapy studies. They are trying to replace defective human genes with genes that work. Eventually, this could be used to cure genetic diseases. There are so many of these studies that someone or many someones must have invested billions. These someones probably wouldn't like anyone to know that there may be an infectious MuLv out there spreading to the population. It may put a halt on their studies and they would loose a lot of money. I wonder sometimes if they have actually gone some place like Mexico or South America and injected people with something similar to the Maloney MuLv's. I know this sounds like a conspiracy theory, but with the U.S.'s past history of doing these things in other countries, it is hard to dismiss. They could justify this by saying that the MuLv's they are working with are not really infectious diseases. To them, it would be like conducting a drug trial.

    PS I watched a documentary a few years ago about drug companies experimenting on poor people. One story was about how a drug company recently went to Africa and tested a TB medicine (this was no more than 20 years ago). It was effective in killing TB, but it also killed a lot of people. Ofcourse, I cannot remember the name of that documentary.
     
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    A few months ago there were front page headlines in Ireland's two national papers about a story that pretty much sums up our shameful history of child abuse.

    The story concerns an American woman who was adopted from Ireland in the late 40/50's and grew up in the U.S.

    As many do, she requested her birth records to trace relatives and discovered that she had been given an experimental cocktail of vaccines while in the orphanage as an infant.

    Apparently, the medical boards were trying to reduce costs and incorporate several vaccines in one. How handy to have freely accessible babies that no one really cared about. (Except probably the young unmarried women they were forcibly removed from) it's breathtaking isn't it, I feel like going on a rampage when I hear about it. If I had the energy.

    In those days the same cartel pretty much ran everything. A parish priest or doctor would just have to lift an eyebrow and his will would be done.

    She is now being tested to see if there was any long term damage. There was a government apology.
     
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    Paddygirl
    yup that's been commonplace, now they do it in the Third World of course
    there was a scandal in New York about 8?? years ago, where the scum of the pharma corps etc, were in cahoots with local government scum so they could test HIV drugs etc on kids in care homes.

    Also if you wish to look at scumbaggery, in the UK, post WW2, a deliberate government policy was started to bolster the "good white stock" (their own words) of British colonies like Cananda and Australia. So, they shipped of kids in care to such, wher emany were treated as slaves, sexual abused en masse etc, huge scandal
    to make it even worse, the filth stole kids from women, saying their children had died in birth...usually to unmarried mothers since hey, they were "moral degenerates so it was ok"
    blech, I loathe my species at times.

    there is nothing so evil, sick or stupid that some conspiracy theorist imagines, that has not actually taken place for real, or been envisioned or possible to the ratpukes who run things :/
    See US authorities testing bioweapons/systems on military and civilians, injecting people even pregnant women with radioactives including plutonium etc etc
    thing is at least we tend ot hear more of what the American inhuman vermin did, in the UK, Russia etc there is much worse culture of secrecy so less gets out, it is NOT that we're any "better"

    Moral gawd damn egotistical Relativism, pure sodding evil. "To advance knowledge, to protect the public, sacrifices must be made!" they always say, ok, then let it be THEIR CHILDREN first in the bloody line for a change then...no? of course not..and the ones who would, well that'd just prove how monstrously insane they are.
     

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