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Donald Trump Is Tired, and It Won't Be Easy to Fix [article mentions CFS]

Discussion in 'General ME/CFS News' started by AndyPR, May 23, 2017.

  1. AndyPR

    AndyPR Senior Member

    Ignore the fact, if you can, that the article is speculating Trump's health. I'm posting this due to the articles fairly reasonable treatment of ME.
    https://www.inverse.com/article/31907-donald-trump-exhausted-tired-fatigue-middle-east
     
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  2. RogerBlack

    RogerBlack Senior Member

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    He's 70.
    He's in one of the most stressful and high-load jobs on the planet.
    If he's not tired, he's probably doing something very wrong.

    The implication of the article seems to confuse CFS with burnout, for the casual reader.
     
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  3. Ysabelle-S

    Ysabelle-S Highly Vexatious

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    I'll be glad to see the back of the term 'Chronic Fatigue Syndrome'. It's a magnet for ignorance.
     
  4. AndyPR

    AndyPR Senior Member

    Is that a comment on how it's been used in the article or just in general?
     
  5. Ysabelle-S

    Ysabelle-S Highly Vexatious

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    In general. I think the term also puts too much emphasis on a word that doesn't really describe our symptoms or energy issues well. I've never identified with it. It almost seems like a different illness.
     
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  6. adreno

    adreno PR activist

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    Trash.
     
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    Diwi9 Senior Member

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    Agree! The article could well have differentiated between acute fatigue and chronic fatigue...and left ME/CFS out of it. Our disease often gets obfuscated and lumped in with "chronic fatigue" because a handful of uninformed researchers labeled and mischaracterized our disease with a weak and misleading name: "chronic fatigue syndrome."
     
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    Ysabelle-S Highly Vexatious

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    Sushi Senior Member Albuquerque

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    From the article:
     
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    Hip Senior Member

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    I have a (highly speculative) theory that the same virus which triggered my ME/CFS, and which caused mild fatigue and word recall problems as permanent symptoms in all my friends and family who caught it, that this virus may have been circulating in White House staff since around 2014, for reasons I will explain. My virus is most likely a nasty strain of coxsackievirus B4 (based on my blood tests), and is detailed on my website.

    If President Donald Trump has caught this virus that I speculate may be circulating in the White House, then you might see more fatigue and word finding issues in Trump in future.

    My theory about why this virus is circulating in the White House is as follows: First of all, I observed that my virus often causes a chronic low level sore throat that lasts indefinitely (for decades) in people who catch it. Normally when you get a sore throat, it may last some days, but will then go away. But in several people, including me, my virus caused a sore throat that lasted indefinitely.

    Now, in around December 2014, President Barack Obama developed a mysterious sore throat that would not go away (see for example this article which says: "President Obama reportedly had a mysterious sore throat for weeks"). Obama consulted medical specialists, who could not find any cause, so they blithely dismissed it as acid reflux (acid reflux is the usual wastebasket diagnosis that ENT specialists give when the cause cannot be found — if they can't find the cause, they will just say "acid reflux" by default). But I think the cause of Obama's chronic sore throat might be viral, and might well be due to an enterovirus like the chronic sore throat coxsackievirus B4 that I caught.

    So OK, Obama's sore throat story on its own does not amount to much. However, I could not help but notice that after Obama's chronic sore throat first appear in around December 2014, he verbal fluency, and particularly his speed of word recall, dropped quite noticeably in his speeches and press conferences.

    Remember that my virus caused fatigue and word recall problems in all my friends and family, such that everyone with my virus started experiencing that "tip of your tongue" phenomenon, when you temporarily cannot bring to mind the word or name you are looking for. So the speed and fluency of verbal speech slows down, because it takes longer to find the words you need.

    This slowdown in the speed and fluency of verbal communication appeared in Obama's language, in his speeches and press conferences, soon after his sore throat first appeared. So I think Obama may have caught a sore throat virus that also affected his mind to a mild extent, as these viruses do to all ME/CFS patients, but just much more severely.

    For example, if you look at this videoed press conference in November 2014, which was just before his sore throat, Obama is on great form, displaying the sort of effortless, fluid and fasting thinking use of words that he was always characterized for. And alongside this easy eloquence, you also see his bright and animated facial expressions gracing his speech. This is what Barack Obama was like in the early years of his presidency.

    But now fast forward to a press conference in May 2016, a year and a half after catching his sore throat, and you notice a slowdown in verbal delivery, and you notice a certain difficulty that he has in fishing out the right words, so he tends to say "er..." more, and tends to leave long pauses, as he is trying to bring the word he wants to mind. He is just not as verbally surefooted as he used to be; and what's more, you notice that his facial expressions are a little flatter, less animated, and almost fatigued looking sometimes. My speculative theory is that these changes were all due to the sore throat virus I believe he may have caught.

    A complete list of President Barack Obama's speeches and press conferences is found here. You will notice a difference between the early speeches before around 2015, and the later speeches afterwards.



    I would really like to see some research on the general (and often subtle) effects that the ME/CFS-associated enteroviruses (coxsackievirus B and echovirus) have on the energy levels and mental faculties of the general healthy population. I think these viruses may be having a mildly pernicious effect on everyone who catches them.
     
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  11. Ysabelle-S

    Ysabelle-S Highly Vexatious

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    Sushi Senior Member Albuquerque

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    Please wait--it hasn't gotten that far yet. And any new thread should be limited to the impact it might have on ME/CFS.
     
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  13. Snow Leopard

    Snow Leopard Hibernating

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    This article is a bit WTF. Presidents are tired as they don't sleep very much due to the constant work demands!
     
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    I've also had 3 coxsackie virus B's about 14 years ago. Have not been tested for it recently. I wouldn't be surprised if it's related.
     
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    Sushi Senior Member Albuquerque

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    This thread went way off topic: the opening poster said:
    But the thread became political and way off the topic of the original article in question. Many posts have been removed and the future of the thread is yet to be decided.
     
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