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Does the effect of probiotics depend on gender?

Discussion in 'Gastrointestinal and Urinary' started by msf, Jan 13, 2016.

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Do probiotics have a positive or negative effect on your condition?

  1. Positive and I am a male

    4.8%
  2. Positive, and I am a female

    28.6%
  3. Negative, and I am a male

    14.3%
  4. Negative, and I am a female

    9.5%
  5. Both pos. and neg., and I am a male

    9.5%
  6. Both pos. and neg., and I am a female

    4.8%
  7. No diff., and I am a male

    9.5%
  8. No. diff, and I am a female

    19.0%
  1. msf

    msf Senior Member

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    See the ´Nature Article Uses ME/CFS to Examine the Microgenderome´ in ´Latest ME/CFS research. If you are feeling generous, you can tell us how you voted and which probiotics you took.
     
  2. msf

    msf Senior Member

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    I have tried three probiotics so far, VSL3, Mutaflor, and Custom Probiotic´s 5 strain Bifido, and they have all had a negative effect on my condition, giving me more pain/aches, a sore throat, looser stools, and more tiredness/general malaise.
     
  3. Mij

    Mij Senior Member

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    I eat kefir and sauerkraut. does that count?
     
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  4. msf

    msf Senior Member

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    I´m not sure, which bacteria do they contain?
     
  5. Mij

    Mij Senior Member

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    Well, the sauerkraut says, "various strains of lactobacillus"

    Kefir doesn't say.

    I didn't vote but they really help.
     
  6. msf

    msf Senior Member

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    I would say you can vote then.
     
  7. Mij

    Mij Senior Member

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    I should also mention that my Great Smokies test from years ago stated I had "0" Lactobacillus in my gut.
     
  8. A.B.

    A.B. Senior Member

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    It seems pretty random to me. They can either be helpful, do nothing, or be harmful. Is it unusual to get worse on a probiotic?

    PS: male and did not vote since there is no choice that is correct.
     
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  9. msf

    msf Senior Member

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    I don´t know how unusual it is, but all the stories I can think of people getting worse are from males. I should have added a ´some good, some bad´ option.
     
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  10. sarah darwins

    sarah darwins I told you I was ill

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  11. msf

    msf Senior Member

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    Well, I apparently have zero Bifidobacteria, but taking a Bifido probiotic makes me feel awful.
     
  12. Crux

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    I'm a female who reacts badly to probiotics.
     
  13. msf

    msf Senior Member

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    Damn you!

    Haha, just kidding. In the other thread you said you took ´too much´ - so was the initial effect positive?
     
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    Crux Senior Member

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    The Hadza seem to not have bifidos. Maybe they're mostly needed to utilize dairy.
     
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  15. Mij

    Mij Senior Member

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    I had zero effects from yoghurt and taking probiotics. Fermented foods make a difference for me. I would agree with it says in that link, "the bacteria in milk kefir, on the other hand, can actually colonize the intestinal tract. Kefir also contains a far larger range of bacteria, in addition to containing yeasts".
     
  16. msf

    msf Senior Member

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    You mean along with lactobacillus?

    P.S. I am not a Hadza.
     
  17. Crux

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    It's been over 30 years, but, I don't think I had a great healing feeling. It may have deterred fungal infections. I used to have athlete's foot, and nail problems.
     
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    Crux Senior Member

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    I don't remember, will have to search...

    Do you mean lactobacillus for dairy utilization, or in Hadza guts?
     
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    *GG* Senior Member

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    Haven't done probiotics in years probably helped. Still have digestive issues, been taking my Creon again.

    GG
     
  20. PennyIA

    PennyIA Senior Member

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    I did vote negative and I am a female. I've tried 5 different kinds and had serious issues with each attempt.

    But I think the question is probably moot. Because honestly?

    • I think it helps if it's what you need
    • It's harmful if it's the LAST thing your body needs and triggers problems
    • No impact just means that you didn't need it and it didn't worsen your condition

    Until we know how to diagnose the ROOT problems, it's just another shot in the dark and it's likely to help some, harm others and leave others scratching their heads as it doesn't seem to matter.
     
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