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does anyone feel better when they dont eat?

Discussion in 'Addressing Biotoxin, Chemical & Food Sensitivities' started by knackers323, Mar 6, 2011.

  1. uni

    uni

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    Adreno - I get this too

    And it seems to be much worse if I don't eat enough carbs. I've tested my blood sugar during those moments and they seem to be OK. I use to tolerate fasting fine - I would get somewhat irritable and hungry, but I wouldn't feel terrible cognitively. Now I get increased brain fog, weakness, worsening of symptoms in general if I don't eat - but I don't really get hungry (I have to force myself to eat). Maybe it has something to due with the inflammation/immune system activating due to increases in norepinephrine. I notice that if I try to exercise - I "run out of glucose" much more quickly. Again, I'm not sure if its an actual low blood sugar, but it sure feels like it.
     
  2. Calathea

    Calathea Darkness therapy

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    I feel much worse if I skip meals, I definitely can't manage any form of even partial fasting. I need to eat at regular times, with well-spaced snacks, and not to wait too long between supper and breakfast. That said, I did have a little more energy when I was dieting (May 2011 - March 2012), though the main thing I noticed was being able to shower first thing in the morning. The showering thing has vanished since I've been maintaining my weight, although I also had major surgery at the same time that I was finishing my diet, so I've been recovering from that. I also do better with carbs, though of course I'm talking about complex carbs, preferably wholegrains, rather than sugars.

    For people who feel better when they skip meals and eat in a smaller window, you may find it helpful to read up on Intermittent Fasting. It's not for everyone, but I've run across quite a few people online who get on beautifully with it.
     
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    nanonug Senior Member

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    Yeap, intermittent fasting totally works for me but gets "old" after awhile. One good thing about intermittent fasting is that it appears to afford the same epigenetic changes associated with calorie restriction.
     
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    Have you tried taking the enzymes? I took the tablets forms from Kirkman for a while but they didn't help at all.
    I haven't eaten gluten for years now and I don't think that it the whole story, at least not in my case. Though I do agree it plays a role - for me, eliminating it helps a lot.
     
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    @ athene

    I did take the enzymes AND then took low dose naltrexone (LDN) for 14 months. LDN stimulates the production of opiate receptors, who were destroyed by the exorphines previously.

    I bought the enzymes Probiozym at neurozym.com.
     
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    My muscle pain went away once I was not able to eat for three days, but in order to control other symptoms I need to eat red meat, and a little rice or veggies.
     
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  8. chilove

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    Hi all,

    I'm the same way. ZI feel the best when eating very lightly and low on the food chain.The only way I stay functional (able to get through a light to medium energy day and work a full time job) is by close adherance to a low protein, low fat vegan, mostly raw diet. My body blows up with inflammation whenever I eat cooked food... animal protein is the worst though.. both raw and cooked.

    I think it has to do with several factors: LGS, protein metabolism issues (I have the compound MTHFR mutation), liver weakness and overall toxic load. WHen I'm very tired or sick or otherwise stressed I sometimes react to even usually "safe" foods.

    Taking anti-inflammatory herbs and diamine oxidase with every meal helps me a great deal. LDN (low dose naltrexone) helped reduce my sensitivities overall.I tried many different types and brands of digestive enzymes but they didn't seem to do anything.
     
  9. knackers323

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    Yes feel better when I don't eat too
     
  10. JAM

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    Since I didn't see my experience in this thread I thought I'd add it. If I don't eat my digestive system feels better, but I get very weak and light headed. If I eat regularly my brain functions better, but I get an increase in IBS symptoms. For a time I suffered from pain induced anorexia, I was terrified of eating because every time I ate it felt like there was an icepick stuck in my descending colon. The discovery of peppermint oil changed my life in that respect.
     
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    I feel much better when I don't eat.

    I used to feel light-headed when not eating, but that was when I had a significant amount of carbohydrates in my diet. Since switching to a low carb diet, I no longer have any bad feelings due to skipping a meal or two.
     
  12. knackers323

    knackers323 Senior Member

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    Any idea why this happens?
     
  13. cigana

    cigana Senior Member

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    All I really know is that it's not a allergic reaction or an intolerance, because I have tried many restrictive diets over the years, eating only lamb and rice for a week, for example. I've eliminated all grain, gluten, dairy and soy for over a year. I've gone fructose free for weeks. High carb, low carb. I've even done weeks of glucose-only in case it was SIBO related. Nothing changes the fact that simply eating anything makes me more tired. The tiredness kicks in within about half an hour. For a year I was eating only one meal a day as a result of this.
    I was negative on a mannitose leaky gut test.

    Edit: KDM told me this is common amongst PWC's.
     
  14. knackers323

    knackers323 Senior Member

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    @cigana what is his theory on it?
     
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    Not eating will raise stress (cortisol and/or adrenaline) to release nutrients that come either from liver storage or from sacrificing tissue. Cortisol will make you less tired temporarily. Eating a good meal with carb and protein will reduce the stress, making you tired.

    Eating a meal a day will work short term, but reducing overall stress is the way to go.
     
  16. cigana

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    Sorry I don't know.
     
  17. redaxe

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    Yes I have also tried fasting. Usually for about 10-12 hours a day but I have done some 2.5-4.5 day fasts too (water & salt only - no food)...

    There are some side-effects to fasting, POTS & orthostatic intolerance can get worse but I found the brain fog lifts dramatically but only to return after food is introduced again.
    I know that part of my story has been mold sensitivity but regarding fasting all I can think of is that during ketosis the body tries to save energy so certain inflammatory processes are shut off or reduced. Hence the clearer & more sharper cognitive function.
    There is some interest in the research community about the effects of fasting on the immune system so it seems that there may be something here of interest.
     

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