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"Do doctors understand test results" - layperson's article explaining relative vs absolute risks etc

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  1. Tired of being sick

    Tired of being sick Senior Member

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    If I shower at least 3 times a week
    Well then
    Why am I not "conditioned" to take a simple shower?

    No such thing as conditioned in my vocabulary..........
     
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    Tired of being sick Senior Member

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    [A]ll they can say is NO!

    You'd get a larger vocabulary out of a Gawddamned parrot.......
     
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  3. MeSci

    MeSci ME/CFS since 1995; activity level 6

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    Thanks, @anciendaze - that is interesting and useful, and I have saved the info.
     
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  4. MeSci

    MeSci ME/CFS since 1995; activity level 6

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    or maybe a phobia acquired after seeing the film 'Psycho'! :lol:
     
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    Esther12 Senior Member

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    This stuff is even more problematic with the prejudices and quackery around CFS:

     
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  6. MeSci

    MeSci ME/CFS since 1995; activity level 6

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    Of course there is a fundamental problem in that, if someone is seeking treatment, s/he has an illness. Being ill can seriously impair one's ability to think. It's hard enough to remember to tell doctors everything and remember what they said without also having to tread on eggshells trying to get them to do what they are supposed to do anyway.

    Vaguely on-topic, there was a BBC Radio 4 programme last night which included an item on recording appointments with doctors. You can listen to it here. Sorry but I can't recall where that item came in the programme. I do, however, recall shouting at the radio that I would prefer to have the info ON PAPER (that's me shouting! :D).

    In most professional practices this is what customers get. Why are health services so primitive by comparison?

    Even if it might not be possible for a doc to personally record his/her info for patients in writing/print, there is software which can transcribe speech, and the doc could just have a look through the transcript to check for errors before giving it to the patient.

    I'm sure it would save money in the long term, as patients would make fewer mistakes with their medicines and appointments and wouldn't have to do what I often do, which is to phone the doc after the appointment for clarification on things.
     
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  7. anciendaze

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    At least you are able to stand up and shower. I was reduced to sit-down baths years ago.

    I suspect we are dealing with two distinct meanings of "conditioned" one used in exercise physiology, and quite a different one in behaviorist psychology. When people pull linguistic bait-and-switch, it is always appropriate to be cautious about buying what they are selling.
     
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    I think @SOC and I had a similar discussion here some time ago, but looking at breathing rate. If you are breathing heavily, even if you are not doing much, its a problem.

    People with ME have elevated lactic acid, and possibly carbonic acid as well. Both these can drive heart rate and increased breathing I suspect. The body is attempting to increase oxygen and carbon dioxide exchange in the blood. Sadly this does not translate to our muscles for some reason, as muscle lactate remains persistently high for some time.
     
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  9. xchocoholic

    xchocoholic Senior Member

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    I only have breathing problems when I'm upright. (Eyes rolling) :/

    Seriously tho, how much of this is due to OI ?
     
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