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Diflucan and Itraconazol Protocol/Log

Discussion in 'Fungal Infection (Yeast, Candida)' started by MAF14, Nov 11, 2016.

  1. MAF14

    MAF14 Senior Member

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    @Thinktank you may find this interesting as I believe the SF722 product is technically the same as Undecylenic acid

    https://candidahub.com/Coconut-Oil/Undecylenic-Acid-for-Candida-Infection

    "Another more recent study, published in 2012 in the Journal of Dental Research [91.10 (2012): 985-989], also studied undecylenic acid and its effects on Candida biofilm. In the study, two strains each of Candida albicans and Candida glabrata were used. The study, surprisingly, found that a minimum inhibitory concentration (MIC) of undecylenic acid for both species of Candida was approximately 256 mcg / mL. The minimum fungicidal concentration (the amount necessary to kill the organism) of undecylenic acid for both species was 512 mcg / mL. This seeming discrepancy between this study and the Antimicrobial Agents and Chemotherapy [52.7 (2008): 2442-2448] study could be a result of the amount of time undecylenic acid was allowed to interact with the Candida species. The Journal of Dental Research [91.10 (2012): 985-989] study analyzed the development of Candida species for up to 7 days; and, they reported that undecylenic acid’s activity against the Candida species wore off at about 8 hours after it was introduced to the yeast.
    The Journal of Dental Research [91.10 (2012): 985-989] study went on to report that undecylenic acid was able to reduce the volume of Candida albicans biofilm and the thickness of the biofilm. However, Candida glabrata showed a slight increase in biofilm volume and thickness in the presence of undecylenic acid. Since undecylenic acid works to interrupt hyphae formation, and Candida glabrata does not grow hyphae, this may play some role in the difference of reaction to the fatty acid. The following chart was taken from this study and shows how both species of Candida reacted to the presence of undecylenic acid."
     
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    MAF14 Senior Member

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    Didn't take any antifungals yesterday as I was traveling but one thing I noticed is *I THINK* while taking generic Diflucan I had more energy during the day and while taking Itracanozole I felt more tired. Could be coincidence but something that just dawned on me.

    Also, I was talking to my mother this morning and went to show her my oral thrush and she couldn't tell it was there even when I told her to look for the "white coating". Her eye sight isn't the best so I went to a mirror and noticed even without brushing my teeth yet that the thrush seems less noticeable.
     
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    Thinktank Senior Member

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    How has your oral thrush been diagnosed? More often then not it's something else / unexplainable.
    Did you have an oral swab with culture / PCR?
     
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    MAF14 Senior Member

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    Visual diagnosis?

    I can see the white coating myself and my doctor gave me Nystatin when he "inspected" me but nothing more scientific than that.
     
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    MAF14 Senior Member

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    That was incorrect. Undecyclenic acid is not the same as Thorne SF722, but it is the same as the Thorne "Undecyn" product.

    I ordered a few bottles of Swanson Undecylenic acid, as I don't really think my candida is "cured". I'll update if I notice anything from it.
     
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    MAF14 Senior Member

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    Update

    I can't really say I've had a ton of symptoms relieved from the Diflucan/Itrcanazole runs.

    I did notice that since stopping I don't get the benefit of waking up more easily in the mornings. Back to the status quo there...

    I've been taking a fairly high dose of the Swanson Undecylenic acid (5 caps/900mg) twice a day with 3g GSE and can't say that I've noticed much, if anything.

    I will be finishing up all the Undecylenic acid I have but in the mean time I am going to order the Thorne SF722 (10-Undecenoic Acid) and

    The Miyarisan I've been taking daily with RS and still has been causing gas but oh well.
     
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    Oh and as far as the other probiotics go, I just bought a greek yogurt maker and plan on using it to ferment/stretch the encapsulated probiotics I have.

    So if anyone has any good recipes for almond milk greek yogurt, I'd be all ears :)
     
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    Update

    I've started taking the Thorne SF722 w/ my remaining Undecylenic Acid and GSE powder... Can't say I've noticed much in the last few days but I also got a stomach bug so that definitely hasn't helped me feel any better.

    The almond milk yogurt I tried making with almond breeze which I don't think will work.. Followed all the intructions and it just turned out to be water. Oh well.

    Made some whole milk greek yogurt last night and seemed to turn out well this morning. We'll see tonight.
     

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