I didn't want to get into this on this forum as I just posted about what I think is a mycolplasma infection from a saline implant. What a cycle. That said, I went on klonopin not knowing what it was, no informed consent, got very sick coming off the wrong way. Dedicated my time the last 2 years helping people get off benzodiazipines and z-drugs which are the sleeping pills that go to the same place in the brain. There's a new method that's easier than Ashton. It's a liquid milk titration. Klonopin and valium are the only 2 benzodiazipines that are milk soluble. Fatty milk. It totally dissolves and binds perfectly benzo and milk. Daily micro reduction of 1ml -5 ml per day. It fools the brain into thinking it's not losing benzo. I'm off the benzo, I got insomnia from saline implants. End up on Klonopin. Off Klonopin realizing it was making me sick. Got better. Started sleeping naturally again. Now from sick from implants though explanted. And infection gives me insomnia. This time, I heal to get sleep back and take nothing. How bout that cycle? The women that developed this method has done seminars with some doctors in her state that are now listening. She was taken off abruptly and was very sick and couldn't walk etc. Sick quite sometime like myself with physical symptoms. Genetics. That said she reinstated to taper and specializes in that, and daily slow micro reduction. She managed to take it one step further than Ashton ONLY because this is specifically what she studied. Geraldine Burns is a friend of mine and helped Dr. Heather Asthon write the Ashton Manual and she recommends those having trouble with 10%-5% and even less reduction %'s every two weeks to Karen at benzofreedom. Same rule as most cross over to valium for the longer half life. 50- 100hrs. Klonopin 18-50 approx. It can be done off of klonopin though. If you google Geraldine Burns and "addiction radio show" the article explains she worked with Ashton. She's still very active helping. I'm taking a break after 2 years but in situations like this reading what I just found on this board, it's a different story. If anybody has problems with this drug, I have no problem explaining how benzodiazpines affect the brain so you understand the physicality of "why you feel nervous" and other symptoms. Your dependence is physical, not your fault. Please don't hesitate to pm me or ask me publicly it seems that's permitted. www.benzofreedom.com is a new site with the new method. No horror symptom threads like many mainstream boards as it's so much gentler on the brain body central nervous system reducing this way. I'm NOT here promoting a benzoboard. I have CFS syptpoms from a deflated saline now explanted implant and am here to ask questions. BUT when I see benzos I feel a responsibility to help pay info forward though. I'm reading here a lot of people having trouble reducing. Neurofeedback and acupuncture doesn't touch what a benzo does to the brain. This slow reduction can help those struggling and maintain functionality. I hope this helps somewhat. As I said, I will be more than happy to explain layman's in detail if anyone wants a clearer pic. Karen is a dear friend at benzofreedom with phone support and help setting up tapers. Family person and is dedicating fulltime right now. It's not a race getting off a benzo. Depending on the dose, and due to genetics, what reduction one can handle, it can be 6 months, a year, a couple of years doing it right to maintain functionality therefore length is not tedious. Thankyou Freddie. You are abslolutely right in slow is the way to get off. When some get off easier it is often thought by doctors, these types have a stronger personality. Or sadly they say, the ones having a hard time are addicts. That couldn't be further from the truth. It's not personality for 90 % of benzo people, it's physicality as the brain changed. Reg docs don't study truth in med school. The easier it is to come off, the less degree an individuals brain has changed to accomodate an easier time getting off the drug with less symptoms. Some, have no withdrawal. It's all genetics. Do not compare yourself with another. They do not have your brain. Make sense? It prevents functional brain injury for those with the genetics where the drug changes the brain. Myth "high dose and length of time establishes dependence". It's proven, low doses taken consistently changes the brain. Low doses in 7 days is enough to establish dependency with the right genetics. I've corresponded with one doctor that worked with Ashon in the UK. Dr. Malcolm Lader and he wrote many papers and did documentary's as well as her. It was never intended long term. Although not helping with tapers now, (Although giving you info here no problem and sending you to who can help I will always do) I'm somewhat active in the community with what is going on politically and in the Uk they are fighting for change with this. I can pm all info to anyone to circulate. All doctor sourced so you can get educated. I'm sorry so many are in this position. Anyway, I'm back to my questions pertaining to this board and CFS.