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David Tuller, Trial By Error, Continued: My Questions for Lancet Editor Richard Horton

Discussion in 'General ME/CFS News' started by Cheshire, Sep 1, 2016.

  1. Cheshire

    Cheshire Senior Member

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    http://www.virology.ws/2016/09/01/t...y-questions-for-lancet-editor-richard-horton/
     
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    dancer Senior Member

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    I'm so grateful for David Tuller's tenacity, along with the others who continue to pursue this. We're stuck inside an illness that has brutal tenacity, so I treasure the allies that keep fighting for us (in research, advocacy, etc.)
     
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    Mrs Sowester Senior Member

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    Can we award Tuller extra points for spectacular use of the word squelch following shortly after this line '(I’ve called it “a piece of crap.” I might also have referred to it somewhere as “doggie-poo,” but I’m not sure.)'
    Beautiful imagery, Horton really has put his foot in it!
     
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    ummm, again!!!!
     
  5. Mrs Sowester

    Mrs Sowester Senior Member

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    He's nothing if not consistent @alex3619 ;)
     
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  6. Snowdrop

    Snowdrop Rebel without a biscuit

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    Re: DT's new blog---devastating. He bat's the ball out of the park and (to mix metaphors) eviscerates (once again) the Leviathan that is PACE.
     
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    Brilliant, thanks again!
     
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    Esther12 Senior Member

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    Going after Horton almost feels like bullying. He clearly never had any idea what was going on with PACE, and whenever he speaks publicly about it he's a gift for the trial's critics. Great to have another piece from Tuller to enjoy.
     
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    It was his responsibility. He endorsed it glowingly. If he had no idea, he should resign. If he had an idea, he should resign. If he was totally fooled, he should at least go public and explain.
     
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    Esther12 Senior Member

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    Horton's position is untenable if the truth about his actions is recognised. To keep his job, he's now committed to a permanent attack upon reality.
     
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    This is similar to what I have said elsewhere. He risks possibly losing his job if he is found out on two simultaneous problems, one of which is PACE. His judgement could be questioned. Whether that would actually happen is unknown, but his support would certainly be weakened.
     
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  12. Kati

    Kati Patient in training

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    Dare i quote you @alex3619 from your signature, because it makes a lot of sense especially here:
    Or if you encounter a snag, say nothing unless you are in a court of law. :rolleyes: They are running out of options.
     
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    I presume your question was rhetorical @Kati. We need to object to psychogenic claims because they are, and have always been, without sound evidence. They have only ever been proven wrong, and never been proven right. They are just presumed right on the basis of fancy but unsubstantial rhetoric.
     
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    TiredSam The wise nematode hibernates

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    Considering that he is stubbornly helping to perpetuate a situation that has caused unnecessary suffering to millions over decades, and seems bent on doing everything he can to make sure that it continues to drag on for as long as possible, I'm not really feeling the bullying thing.

    If he isn't prepared to do the decent thing and fall on his sword, the least he could do would be to step to one side and allow both parties (ie the psychoquacks and the scientists) to have a voice in his rag of a publication. Instead of that he's pointlessly allowing the suffering to continue simply to save his own face for as long as possible before the inevitable.

    Banning scientists from speaking in the Lancet whilst millions suffer? He's clearly in the wrong job, and we have to pay the price for it. No sympathy for the guy whatsoever.
     
  15. Daisymay

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    Yes and way back when the paper was initially published Professor Hooper, the Countess of Mar, Angela Kennedy and MEA all put in formal complaints to the Lancet. Horton quickly knew the problems with the paper but he actively chose to do nothng about it, instead backing the PACE authors at the expense of scientific integrity, patient safety, his own and the Lancet's reputation.

    Why? It's bizarre.

    And now with Dave Tuller's excellent work, the letter from the 42 scientists, Rebecca Goldin's article exposing the PACE statistics and he still does nothing, no, he knows very well what he is doing.

    You can see Professor Hoopers correspondence with the Lancet here, in the year 2011:

    http://margaretwilliams.me/
     
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    Sorry - I was being a bit flippant about how clearly out of his depth Horton is and wasn't clear. I didn't mean to imply there was anything wrong with going after him particularly as he is in a position of authority, and is continuing to misuse that position.
     
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    TiredSam The wise nematode hibernates

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    I know you didn't - just couldn't resist using that phrase as a springboard to go off on a bit of a rant, like I do :hug:
     

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