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David Tuller: My brief encounter with Prof Crawley

Discussion in 'General ME/CFS News' started by Countrygirl, Nov 20, 2017.

  1. altered beast

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    Um, you mean Sainsbury's trust.
    Hardly unknown. The Linbury trust has a long history of supporting research into CFS. A bit more surprising that they had to tap into to the Ashden trust, a supposedly environmental charity to fund SMILE.
     
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  2. Countrygirl

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    Yes, so do I @lilpink .

    But she seemed so..........vulnerable and.......sincere and persecuted.

    It made you want to protect her.
     
  3. Countrygirl

    Countrygirl Senior Member

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    Oh them........!! :rolleyes:
     
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  4. lilpink

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    I think you meant the Linbury Trust? The Linden Trust is an altogether more acceptable org.
     
  5. lilpink

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    Pass the sick bucket! She should have ME for multiple decades and then find out what 'vulnerable' might actually feel like. I have no compassion for her at all. How dare she play victim.
     
  6. altered beast

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    Yes I probably do. Thanks. I think the Ashden trust is the other though. Assumed this was all well known to PR folks.
     
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    1) the children that got significantly sicker should show to one of this lectures for her to explain away and make it public w cameras around.
    2) how can she to an LP study when LP is prohibited to be called a treatment. We need to dig if this is even legal since it is violating the imposed restrictions already put on the LP people.
     
  8. TreePerson

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    Yes she does come across as insincere on screen and also on the radio. Although much of what she says sounds plausible you only have to be moderately sensitive to pick up insincerity. She says nasty things in a nice voice one as of my children once said.
     
  9. Countrygirl

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    Are you wondering, perhaps, if they're considering whether she's "an asset to the abbey" ?

     
  11. HowToEscape?

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    Such facades are a hallmark of psychopaths.

    I have some acquaintances think that we just need to be nicer to North Korea, as poor little Kim is just a sensitive boy. Britain tried that attitude before with another conflict, it did not end well.
     
  12. Large Donner

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    She really is playing at some increasingly bizarre venues to some very dubious crowds for a proclaimed scientist, maybe that does say something.

    She is definitely on some kind of PR tour, what she is doing is definitely not science.
     
  13. Mary

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    @Countrygirl - you are brilliant! :thumbsup: Thanks so much for doing this. shedding light on the darkness. Cannot wait to see the film!
     
  14. Large Donner

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    That's a trick question in a legal sense really, often used by self appointed judges. It means "do you stand under my order", if you say yes you have contracted with the person.

    The best reply often if you do not want to consent is, "I do not stand under that statement".
     
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    The "I am not bad, I just act that way" line?
     
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  16. Countrygirl

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    :wide-eyed:
     
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  17. Large Donner

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    Don't worry Countrygirl I just have these little snippets of info here and there in my head. I doubt it will affect anything that he told you what you can and cannot say about the event.
     
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    Huge thanks to @Countrygirl and David Tuller. I guess the question is, leaving aside the response, whether that verbal gagging order has any legal force . I'm afraid I don't know the answer to that, but as regards talking on social media I would very much doubt it. Don't know about the movie. Any UK lawyers or close friends of same amongst us? Anyhow, what action could they dtake that wouldn't get them into an even worse PR position? Esther doesn't want to let the world know what she tells select audiences behind closed doors? Not a helpful message.
     
  19. AndyH

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    Other than an acceptance that you've understood what the other party would like, there's no agreement to comply here. A court setting is very different where such affirmations will likely be in relation to the threat of a penalty should you not comply.
     
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    I don't think it would have any force at all. Indeed, David Tuller could ask Berkeley to do the same thing, but to EC etc. These sorts of things, especially against a foreign journalist and science critic, would be defended under freedom of speech in the US anyway, or at least be heavily contestable.
     
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